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Journalist and self-proclaimed Freedom of Information Act nerd Ken Klippenstein claims to have released Mangione's manifesto. He also believes that some news sources are withholding it.

Manifesto (source: Klippenstein)

To the Feds, I'll keep this short, because I do respect what you do for our country. To save you a lengthy investigation, I state plainly that I wasn't working with anyone. This was fairly trivial: some elementary social engineering, basic CAD, a lot of patience. The spiral notebook, if present, has some straggling notes and To Do lists that illuminate the gist of it. My tech is pretty locked down because I work in engineering so probably not much info there. I do apologize for any strife of traumas but it had to be done. Frankly, these parasites simply had it coming. A reminder: the US has the #1 most expensive healthcare system in the world, yet we rank roughly #42 in life expectancy. United is the [indecipherable] largest company in the US by market cap, behind only Apple, Google, Walmart. It has grown and grown, but as our life expectancy? No the reality is, these [indecipherable] have simply gotten too powerful, and they continue to abuse our country for immense profit because the American public has allwed them to get away with it. Obviously the problem is more complex, but I do not have space, and frankly I do not pretend to be the most qualified person to lay out the full argument. But many have illuminated the corruption and greed (e.g.: Rosenthal, Moore), decades ago and the problems simply remain. It is not an issue of awareness at this point, but clearly power games at play. Evidently I am the first to face it with such brutal honesty.

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[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 75 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Mod: Please update the post title to match the original article.

Edit: Thank you.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 138 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Side note:

It's good to see journalists willing to make a correction

Correction: This post originally stated that Elon Musk had donated over a quarter of a million dollars to elect Trump and other Republicans in last month’s election. It was over a quarter of a billion dollars. Specifically, $277 million, according to CBS News. Gizmodo regrets the error and the fact that our country is about to be run by vile billionaires who will enrich themselves even further.

[–] skulblaka@sh.itjust.works 26 points 2 weeks ago

Based Gizmodo

[–] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 113 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

This is great stuff and he's set out a very clear blueprint for deterrance. He's putting Corporate America and Big Health Insurance on a PIP so looking forward to everyone doing better :)

Nice to finally throw their goddamn motherfucking bullshit rulebook right back at them and force a Medical New Deal on them

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[–] militaryintelligence@lemmy.world 109 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Look how the pig is squeezing his neck, pretty hard from the looks of it. If Trump or his cronies were ever arrested they would set up a press box and microphones

[–] Mr_Blott@feddit.uk 43 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm astonished that this is the only comment about that, it's the first thing I noticed.

In modern societies that grip is reserved for violent junkies, wriggling and foaming at the mouth

Yet nobody blinks an eye

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[–] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 101 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Funny how this is constantly being censored on reddit and likely other social media. I don't think the oligarchs like the message.

[–] fool@programming.dev 86 points 2 weeks ago

[ Removed by Reddit ] being on the frontpage for hours despite being expunged near-instantly is morbidly funny. The absence is speaking louder than the silence

██████████ (30k upvotes)

[–] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 78 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Editorialized title. Please restore the original article title. He has not personally released or confirmed this document.
Edit: op has fixed the title

A manifesto supposedly found with him at the time of arrest has been "leaked" selectively without any confirmation from the man himself on whether it is legitimate or not. I still find the entire rapid stack up of evidence far too convenient for the police looking for an easy win to appease capitals interests in making an example out of a "fringe lone extremist".

[–] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It's possible the bag with the monopoly money contained more evidence the police didn't tell us about, so they could plant it on their fall guy.

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[–] simplejack@lemmy.world 62 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I assume the “Indecipherable” words are expletives? Maybe “fucking” and “assholes?”

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 55 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Obviously, we'd need to see the handwriting, but just from context:

"United is the [indecipherable] largest company in the US by market cap, behind only Apple, Google, Walmart."

Should be "fourth". Fourth largest company. Unless he has a fun modifier on it like "fourth fucking" or "fucking fourth".

[–] simplejack@lemmy.world 24 points 2 weeks ago

Ahh, that makes more sense. They’re big but not the largest.

[–] ohwhatfollyisman@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

i like the idea of using indeciperable as a euphemism to replace expletives. this should be generally adopted imo.

"i have the worst indecipherable luck!"

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[–] Chozo@fedia.io 50 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

What proof is there that this is legit? I've seen dozens of alleged versions of the manifesto. This one doesn't have any other source than "trust me, bro".

[–] fool@programming.dev 39 points 2 weeks ago

I thought there was only one impersonation (which was attacked since it didn't have the quotes that the NYT had extracted from their unreleased copy).

About a possibility of a hoax: Klippenstein has a fairly reputable history of uncovering/reporting on leaks, but this situation is essentially a

Ken: Here's the document guys.

Other news websites: Looks like Ken has the document!

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[–] shani66@ani.social 48 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Man he genuinely is a hero.

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[–] digdilem@lemmy.ml 43 points 2 weeks ago

Gizmodo flying a bit close to the libel laws in that article.

Despite saying they can't confirm it's genuine, then saying stuff like " it’s pretty clear that Mangione was motivated by the tremendous injustices regularly perpetrated by the healthcare industry in the United States."

Was he? Did he write those words? Is he the shooter? Doesn't this kind of reporting compromise the chance of a fair hearing?

Surely he deserves the right to a trial before being found guilty, as per the Sixth Amendment?

[–] NobodyElse@sh.itjust.works 38 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Look at the dumb cops in the picture with so little self-awareness that they think they’re on the same side as the CEOs.

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago

A pair of fucking stooges.

[–] twistypencil@lemmy.world 37 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

I don't think this qualifies as a manifesto. Definition requires that it be public, not found on someone: A public declaration of principles, policies, or intentions, especially of a political nature.

[–] skeezix@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The word “manifesto” makes it seem more sinister and clickable.

[–] nednobbins@lemm.ee 9 points 2 weeks ago

People call something a "manifesto" when they want to imply that it's a long rambling text written by a crazy person.

[–] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I personally think it still fits that definition

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[–] nialv7@lemmy.world 35 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

interesting that he mentions social engineering in the manifesto. makes me think he lured the CEO somehow and that's why he knew exactly when the target would be there. he waited for like 5 minutes before the CEO showed up, that was unrealistically precise if all you had was public information.

[–] oce@jlai.lu 19 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

It could simply mean he checked his public social media and knew where he would go. Social "engineering" can be as simple as a web search.

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I could stalk a lot of people with 5 min accuracy, easy. Most people have schedules and routines. It's not rocket science.

[–] nialv7@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

well that would tell him the conference starts at 8am or something. based on that he could guesstimate maybe the CEO will arrive 1~2 hours before. but to narrow it down to 5 minutes? i think he would need something more.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Stop making assumptions. The article is clear that we have 0 evidence that this is the actual.manifesto. at this point its just fanfic

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[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 35 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Quick and to the point. Is there anything this guy isn’t good at?

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 31 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Keeping a low profile while on the run, allegedly. :x

[–] ramsorge@discuss.online 5 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

McDonald’s really should use this opportunity to release a “too irresistible” ad

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[–] GhiLA@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)
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[–] zbyte64@awful.systems 7 points 2 weeks ago

Controlling the media narrative. Or at least that's my fear. Just finished watching "Interior Chinatown" and surprisingly relevant commentary on the "media spectacle". It expects violence but it won't just let you tell your story.

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Disposing of murder weapons.

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[–] w3dd1e@lemm.ee 30 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

I don’t think this is complete. I read that police found a 3 page manifesto. That’s a long paragraph at best.

[–] fool@programming.dev 26 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

edit: word

You're correct in that the NYPD said that it was a "handwritten, three-page document" -- I found it odd too -- but, the "document" could've been on one of those mini notebooks, or in large print, or scrawled.

From another perspective -- if the transcription is incomplete, then Klippenstein either (1) omitted text by his own hand, (2) could not acquire the entire document but was unaware that he hadn't, or (3) did not acquire the entire document but withheld his report's weakness of breadth.

I'm not sure Klippenstein's incompleteness is very likely

[–] w3dd1e@lemm.ee 13 points 2 weeks ago

I don’t think that journalist is lying. I just wondered if the leaker released the full document to him or if they gave him this and said that was it.

I suppose it could be whatever was in the notebook.

Handwritten can sprawl real quick

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

It references that...

This is some post he made somewhere, and it explicitly says there's more info in the spiral notebook.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 5 points 2 weeks ago

I dont think this is even what police found. we have 0 evidence. The article makes this clear

[–] fool@programming.dev 19 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

A tangent: On r/interestingasfuck, a post (np link) about Klippenstein's report was removed in less than an hour, but has continued to skyrocket in upvotes, fueled by comments alone

(As of this comment, first removal complaint was 2 hours ago, but post was made 3 hours ago.)

[–] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Curious if this a reddit-wide thing (i.e. implemented by oligarchs) or something specific to that community.

[–] fadingembers@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

It's reddit wide. Under any story about Luigi if the link to the manifesto gets posted it gets removed.

[–] fool@programming.dev 9 points 2 weeks ago

It's indeed Reddit-wide. Rather than being moderator-specific, it's admin-enforced.

To qualify what you mentioned, I've seen the manifesto itself successfully pasted and kept up for 15+ hours, but not the link to it. (just CTRL+F for "indecipherable" in either the r/interestingasfuck or r/WitchesVsPatriarchy threads)

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[–] granolabar@kbin.melroy.org 15 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

No the reality is, these [indecipherable] have simply gotten too powerful, and they continue to abuse our country for immense profit because the American public has allwed them to get away with it.

[indecipherable] here is spicy, the entire sentence is build around it

[–] Chozo@fedia.io 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

He originally wrote "sons of bitches", then scratched it out and wrote "mother fuckers", then replaced that with "sick bastards". The final version reads "low-life shit-sucking corpocunts".

Or so I imagine.

[–] granolabar@kbin.melroy.org 5 points 2 weeks ago

Or maybe he called put somebody a bit more specific... And that person doesn't want to be called out like that.

I am speculating here though.

[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

He, like all programmers I know, probably tried to write oligarchs and just sucks at spelling.

Thanks for saving me embarrassment spell checker!

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[–] samus12345@lemm.ee 11 points 2 weeks ago

Gizmodo regrets the error and the fact that our country is about to be run by vile billionaires who will enrich themselves even further.

XD

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