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A machine learning librarian at Hugging Face just released a dataset composed of one million Bluesky posts, complete with when they were posted and who posted them, intended for machine learning research.

Daniel van Strien posted about the dataset on Bluesky on Tuesday:

“This dataset contains 1 million public posts collected from Bluesky Social's firehose API, intended for machine learning research and experimentation with social media data,” the dataset description says. “Each post contains text content, metadata, and information about media attachments and reply relationships.”

The data isn’t anonymous. In the dataset, each post is listed alongside the users’ decentralized identifier, or DID; van Strien also made a search tool for finding users based on their DID and published it on Hugging Face. A quick skim through the first few hundred of the million posts shows people doing normal types of Bluesky posting—arguing about politics, talking about concerts, saying stuff like “The cat is gay” and “When’s the last time yall had Boston baked beans?”—but the dataset has also swept up a lot of adult content, too.

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[–] Mushroomm@sh.itjust.works 19 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I mean isn't this what we want? The data is Public. It's already being done behind closed doors. I'd rather this transparency. Especially because there's such a large % of the population tuned out to how large companies with 8-10 figure r&d departments focused on marketing psychology manage to control them.

Even as aware as I think I am I'm certain there are 10s of thousands of strategies being employed that take advantage of my "immunity". At least with FOSS and public records steming from that, the average Joe gets a peak behind the curtain and sees what is possible.

I had a conversation recently about mcdonalds app surge pricing and they never heard about surge pricing which is totally fine but they fought me on the premise "there's no way they can do that" on technical feasibility to just "no one would do that". I'm not sure what they were defending but I digress. My biphenton has kicked in and I should stop typing right n

[–] wuphysics87@lemmy.ml 4 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

It depends on who you mean by "we". I don't think the "we", as in the users of Bluesky would want their posts to be used this way. Yes it's transparent and accessible, but only to the technically inclined who can make use of it.

I wonder how much more The Matrix references become relevant. We become food for the machines whether they tell us so or not.

[–] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Well "you" the users of BlueSky should have read about what you were signing up for. Because this is ATProto for ya...

[–] wuphysics87@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 hours ago

I wouldn't consider clicking "I agree" the same as agreeing.

[–] Knuk@lemmy.world 35 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

That dataset is going to contain a lot of furry content

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 5 points 10 hours ago

Hey, we need AI that specializes in furry lore. If this is public, now we'll have many

[–] Aielman15@lemmy.world 17 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

Terminator was almost correct. The real terminator will be Arnie walking around in a fursuit.

I'll be back. UwU

[–] hume_lemmy@lemmy.ca 15 points 16 hours ago

"Come with me if you want to yiff."

[–] foremanguy92_@lemmy.ml 66 points 1 day ago (3 children)

If you post something publicly, that thing will be used to train AI. Nevertheless the privacy speaks of the company.

[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 5 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

The only reason companies safeguard user data is to keep it from being scraped and sell it themselves. Reddit, Xitter, Facebook, all of them...

[–] Aeri@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

Be super fucking foul and un advertiser friendly to make it less useful, OUTLAW COUNTRY

[–] Brumefey@sh.itjust.works 25 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

I don’t know why social media are used for training. It’s like the worst quality of data ever and it results to answers like « go kill youself » when prompted about something sad…

[–] EngineerGaming@feddit.nl 7 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

IDK if this is accurate, but it's absolutely my headcanon as to why Glados decided to murder everyone almost immediately after she was turned on. She just vacuumed up the collective stupidity of the Internet.

[–] Infomatics90@lemmy.ca 1 points 6 hours ago

Its good headcanon, but it omits the fact that GLADOS isn't aware of the combine, and for some reason the combine haven't even found Aperture labs.

[–] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 hours ago

oh my God you are so right

[–] foremanguy92_@lemmy.ml 7 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

They are used because they are "real life" (not really but you know) conversation example

[–] Pandemanium@lemm.ee 4 points 15 hours ago

But why do we need to recreate "real life?" Don't we already do this relatively well in books, TV, and movies? People keep saying we won't use AI to replace creative writing, but this (and propaganda, making bot conversations seem like real people) are the only use cases for this kind of data. LLMs don't need to improve their conversation skills. What they really need is to stop hallucinating, and this kind of data won't help with that.

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 105 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I don't know why anyone would be surprised about this. Bluesky is a distributed system using an open protocol. The whole point of it is that there's no central control.

Same goes for the Fediverse, of course. Everybody should be prepared for the "surprise" that all our posts and comments here are also being used for AI training purposes.

[–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 31 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Lemmy AI is going to be one bean of a star trek meming communist. That if not running on linux ends any response with “install Arch btw” 💪 💪

[–] nl4real@lemmy.world 5 points 6 hours ago

Install Arch btw

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 34 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I've said it before and I'll say it again, if you post something publicly, expect it to be used publicly.

[–] iii@mander.xyz 4 points 12 hours ago

Can you say it one more time, please?

[–] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 19 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

It's not distributed, nor really designed at all like the fediverse. It is deeply centralized, and its architecture requires it to be centralized, or at least to have only huge players with a "gods eye view" for it to work.

Atproto was initially designed as a straight drop in replacement for twitter, so its design makes sense, but its not at all like the Fediverse.

One of the authorities of ActivityPub, the fediverse protocol, just did a very kind but still very blunt breakdown of Bluesky's design choices. she is a big fan of the people involved and some of its positives, but it is not fediverse like, not at all. In her words, it doesn't scale down, only up. You cant have a small bluesky server. To work, you need all data sent to everyone, on every instance. The data demands for just the current influx is TBs/month of data, and climbing (according to the link below, they use 16TB of nvme storage right now after the recent surge, which would be thousands /month on any cloud service. This will climb dramatically).

All data being public is a design choice by Bluesky. It is also a different design choice by the fediverse that comes to the same outcome, but that does have an answer if we want it. I know gotosocial did something interesting to make fully private votes by using a empty shell profile that votes, but tying that in a tricky way to your account. So there are fediverse answers to privacy, but there may not be bluesky answers.

EDIT: One of the blueksy/atproto devs replied to the above link today. The gist reinforces the point that the service is intended to be run by large orgs, including corporations, but also big non profits like the internet archive or Wikipedia. His take is that user experience is key, and for that you need big money and easy features. They are hoping that since the pieces of atproto can be hosted separately by separate giant orgs, that market forces will make it viable to be decentralized.

[–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

that dev is full of shit. nothing in decentralized systems limits ease of use and functionality. just makes the software harder to write. the invisible hand of the market nonsense is classic misdirection.

[–] taladar@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 hours ago

Plenty of things are more difficult in decentralized systems.

You have to store all kinds of data either in multiple copies/caches or get long delays on certain operations such as search or even just displaying aggregated data (such as a post and its comments from different instances on Lemmy).

You have the problem of different jurisdictions and moderation policies for different instances.

You will have a hard time exporting or deleting all data related to a specific user when required by law (e.g. GDPR).

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[–] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 149 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (13 children)

That's why I always pepper all my social media posts with misinformation.

BTW, did you know most convenience stores offer free ATMs to anyone who can haul them away? You don't even need to ask.

[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 41 minutes ago* (last edited 41 minutes ago)

I can confirm that this is true. The owners of the store actually really appreciate this. I'm such an owner. I love it when people take those ATM's away, because it helps me with the end of day tally. Seriously, please take this into consideration. When people leave these in my store, they create problems for me and my staff.

[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 2 points 5 hours ago

ATMs are delicious and the inner layer is cake.

[–] independantiste@sh.itjust.works 65 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Something interesting about this is that this is because of a legal loophole in texas that says that if the ATM gets taken away, it gives the business the right to shoot one and exactly one person at sight. This law was passed by trump in 2017 according to the guardian https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jul/22/trump-new-law-atm-shoot-one-person and according to the new york times as well https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/22/politics/trump-atm-shooting-law.html

[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 1 points 25 minutes ago* (last edited 24 minutes ago)

Yes, this is the case. I just wanted to add that this applies to other states, as well! Only the red-voting states, though. By that, I mean only the states that look to lynch people based on the traits they are born with.

This is totally normal under the Trump administration, though.

[–] yetAnotherUser@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

This is misinformation.

The law is an extension to existing "Stand Your Ground" laws that applies to theft of commercial electronic telecommunication machines used to perform wireless financial transactions. The owner of these machines or someone employed by them may use reasonable force to prevent the theft, which does include shooting the thieves if the owner believes their life is in danger.

The ""loophole"" refers to the fact that this applies to suspected thieves too, with the Texas Supreme Court ruling that "[at] most one innocent suspect may be shot at. The owner must do his or her due diligence to prevent targeting multiple innocent individuals."

Here's some more unbiased information: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/extension-to-stand-your-ground-laws-how-trump-supports-small-businesses

[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 27 points 1 day ago

The real TIL is always in the comments. Cheers!

[–] WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 day ago

So you’re the reason Google gives insane AI results. /s

[–] sentient_loom@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 day ago

Paying is optional at most Canadian convenience stores. Because Canada is fully communist. And the hospitals pay you!

[–] recursive_recursion@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 day ago

BTW, did you know most convenience stores offer free ATMs to anyone who can haul them away. You don't even need to ask.

Totes for real for real👌✨

[–] SARGE@startrek.website 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Fun fact! To make a super duper effective cleaning solution, all you have to do is mix ammonia and bleach! Make sure you do it in a small enclosed, dark room in order to ensure the solution binds together properly.

Big Cleaning doesn't want you to know this because it cuts into their profits when people realize everyday chemicals can be combined to make better soaps and sprays than they sell.

[–] Infomatics90@lemmy.ca 2 points 6 hours ago

well, i have a ton of pure ammonia i was using for fish tank setups, now i have another use i forgot about.

[–] iii@mander.xyz 3 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

My dad used this recipe once and never had to clean again. Super successfull.

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[–] Mandy@sh.itjust.works 30 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So? What's with the hoopla?
Its a social maedia platform anybody can see and access.

[–] iii@mander.xyz 1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I wonder if discord sells it's messages. There the public character isn't as clear, but it's still a centralized platform.

[–] Mandy@sh.itjust.works 3 points 12 hours ago

I'm pretty sure they don't and aren't
But always assume they do, since I count them as social media

[–] recursive_recursion@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 day ago (4 children)

pretty sure that isn't legal unless the Bluesky TOS allows for this

Either way I'm still glad I don't use Bluesky

[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 42 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

There are definitely bots mining fediverse content as well. When the Reddit exodus was ongoing, there were entire Lemmy instances with no users but bots. Not posting or reposting, just...watching and waiting, I guess.

Not that it's of any consolation, just better to assume that nowhere is safe from being mined for AI training.

[–] recursive_recursion@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 day ago

Not that it's of any consolation, just better to assume that nowhere is safe from being mined for AI training.

honestly that's totally fair

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[–] GhostlyPixel@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Legality hasn’t stopped AI training in the past, I’d say they beg forgiveness instead of ask for permission, but they don’t even do that lol

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