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[–] 0x815 6 points 12 hours ago

There is an interesting analysis by the European Media Observatory on the Romanian election -- (Archived link).

On 'TikTok's role in Romanian politics' and the 'Candidate Performance Metrics', it says, among others:

  • Călin Georgescu: Notably surged in popularity, garnering 120 million views, particularly in the final two months. This increase was attributed to coordinated campaigns that used both direct promotion and indirect influence via unpaid influencers, often lacking appropriate labeling. A salient example is the #echilibrușiverticalitate campaign, which reached 2.4 million views through these tactics.

The analysis also says:

The lack of effective moderation allowed for widespread dissemination of unverified information, particularly affecting extreme-right candidates.

Concerns around unlabelled or undeclared political content in the 2024 Romanian presidential elections, particularly on TikTok are significant. They emphasize a lack of transparency in political campaigns, notably involving candidates like Călin Georgescu, who used the platform without disclosing the funding and motivations behind their promotion. The employment of influencers without adequate disclosure raises ethical issues complicates voters’ understanding of the content.

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The notable gap between projected poll figures (around 10%) and actual results (over 22%) raises concerns about potential external influences, including foreign interference.

[–] Buelldozer@lemmy.today 23 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Where's all the "Tik Tok is harmless!!!" people? They were everywhere 18 months ago when the US went after TikTok.

[–] Grimy@lemmy.world 12 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

My main grip with wanting to ban tik tok was that it was a transparent attempt to keep a monopoly on propaganda. Tik tok is used by China in exactly the same way Twitter and Facebook are used.

We need comprehensive laws against all forms of social media manipulation, since even the homegrown ones are being used to elect fascists.

Tik tok is a scapegoat.

[–] Buelldozer@lemmy.today 2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

My main grip with wanting to ban tik tok was that it was a transparent attempt to keep a monopoly on propaganda. Tik tok is used by China in exactly the same way Twitter and Facebook are used.

I think it's fair to say that TT is being used for political propaganda, particularly propaganda that benefits China and now apparently Russia. It's clear now that US efforts to repress TT were for the exact reason they said it was, to prevent TT as a platform from unduly influencing elections.

Your second sentence is an interesting one though, given that most people who were against the US taking action against TT refused to admit that TT was or even could be used as a propaganda outlet to influence policy, politics, and elections.

We need comprehensive laws against all forms of social media manipulation

I completely agree and FB and Twitter should not be exempted from them.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 11 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

We do have those laws in the EU. Parliament is inviting the TikTok CEO to question him about their adherence to those very laws. TikTok is legally required to actively work against manipulation especially around things like elections so they should have be on top of the botting that apparently went on. They're supposed to follow these guidelines.

...of course, parliament could have left it to the commission to enforce this stuff, i.e. fine TikTok, but as this is an election it's absolutely legitimate to make a public scene. Drag that CEO before parliament and make him scramble for excuses before the presidential run-offs and parliament elections. Then post it to TikTok.

TikTok isn't a scapegoat, here, they're being made an example of. Important difference.

[–] Hubi 46 points 1 day ago (3 children)

The EU is doomed if it continues to kick this can down the road. There needs to be a decisive ruling on platforms like TikTok, Xitter and Instagram. I hope the election in Romania will be a wake-up call before other nations face the same fate.

[–] bouh@lemmy.world 6 points 11 hours ago

Problem is that social media are not the root of the problem. Stupid liberal political leaders are.

They are walking a line between fascism and liberalism because they'd rather have fascism than socialism. But fascism would rather ally with other fascists, which are enemies of liberals.

Those liberal morons are literally siding with their mortal enemies because they can accept the idea that people can be more than slaves at their service.

[–] Viri4thus 27 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (5 children)

We had factual examples of deliberate manipulation, using facebook, by cambridge analytica during the brexit campaign. There were leaked communications by Bannon and one of the senior devs of CA was a whistleblower. Leave won, the UK is in the gutter. If we didn't just fucking kick those platforms and their CEOs into orbit then, we won't do it now. We already lost. Our only chance is to remove English as an official language of the EU and go back to German or Spanish or French or something else that would increase the cost of mass manipulation. The american brand of capitalism has condemned the world misery for the next 200 years just so boomers could get two vacation homes.

[–] 0x815 8 points 15 hours ago

If we didn’t just fucking kick those platforms and their CEOs into orbit then, we won’t do it now. We already lost. Our only chance is to remove English as an official language of the EU and go back to German or Spanish or French or something else that would increase the cost of mass manipulation.

What a logic. We won't ban it now because we didn't it then. But 'removing English' as 'official language of the EU' would help according to you. This is, of course, complete rubbish.

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 18 points 23 hours ago

Our only chance is to remove English as an official language of the EU and go back to German or Spanish or French or something else that would increase the cost of mass manipulation. The american brand of capitalism has condemned the world misery for the next 200 years just so boomers could get two vacation homes.

This is why conservatives regularly complain about Quebec speaking French because having a unique language is the ultimate protection against propaganda. Note the fascist Pierre Poilievre conservatives couldn’t crack the Quebec code while the rest of Canada fell for his tricks.

[–] Grimy@lemmy.world 6 points 19 hours ago

The protection a unique language gives flew out the windows the moment llms came on the scene.

[–] HowRu68@lemmy.world 11 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

U.K. is an unfortunate example of how it can really go wrong.

I was just searching for a concise list of elections gone sideways, but unfortunately I haven't found yet the correct algorithm(/s)

I did find some other results, for elections in USA and Brazil. And, also this worrisome international Ipsos report.

[–] Hubi 3 points 22 hours ago

Our only chance is to remove English as an official language of the EU and go back to German or Spanish or French or something else that would increase the cost of mass manipulation

I don't think it's our only chance, but it's definitely a very valid point and something that I've been thinking about quite a lot since Brexit. Foreign powers would have a much harder time if people only spoke their native languages, but it's not something that's going to change anytime soon. And it would have a lot of downsides too.

[–] HowRu68@lemmy.world 11 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

Another election possibly gone sideways due to the (abuse of) social media. Reminds me of the same spectacular electoral results in Indonesia, in which Tik-Tok played a mayor role [ see Reuters article )