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    Windows VS Linux (lemmy.world)
    submitted 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) by trespasser69@lemmy.world to c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world
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    [–] synapse1278@lemmy.world 2 points 28 minutes ago (1 children)

    Installing regular Windows 10/11 is definitely more than twice as painful than installing Debian 12.

    Once, I was trying to install Windows 10 and wasted an entire day! The installation would systematically fail at the beginning of the installation with a BS error message that doesn't give any hint about what's going wrong. In the end it just didn't like USB3 as an installation media! I reflashed it to a USB2 and it worked, but OMG was it super slow ! It took literally hours to install !!!

    Debian, even as a noobie, you'll go from flashing your ISO to a booted system within an hour. If you've done it once before, you will get it done in 20 minutes.

    [–] Eiri@lemmy.ca 1 points 11 minutes ago

    What the hell. I've never seen such an issue. Microsoft is so considerate; they provide us with cool little surprises like that from time to time. ♥️

    [–] shadowedcross@sh.itjust.works 5 points 59 minutes ago (2 children)

    Installing debloated windows is not difficult at all.

    [–] polle 4 points 38 minutes ago

    Its called Installing linux.

    [–] Zetta@mander.xyz 1 points 27 minutes ago

    I would say it is, it's extra installation steps. Fedora I just click a handful of buttons and the OS is installed with no Spyware

    [–] 01011@monero.town 1 points 33 minutes ago

    Arch is probably easier to install than Debian nowadays.

    [–] Viper_NZ@lemmy.nz 18 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

    Install windows, run debloat powershell script. Done.

    Microsoft give no shortage of things to complain about with needing to exaggerate.

    [–] Eiri@lemmy.ca 1 points 11 minutes ago

    What does debloating entail exactly?

    [–] Johanno 2 points 1 hour ago

    Hey! You missed nixos!

    First time install for smb. Double the windows Bar.

    Second time (if you backed up your config file)

    No bar!

    [–] arc@lemm.ee 12 points 4 hours ago (3 children)

    I don't even know what this graph is even supposed to mean. Bitch about Windows all you like but the installation process is typically very simple.

    [–] Couldbealeotard@lemmy.world 10 points 3 hours ago

    I guess it means that no one here knows what Windows Debloated is and didn't read far down enough to see regular windows marked as very easy to install.

    [–] Agent641@lemmy.world 7 points 3 hours ago

    There is no X axis so I'm going to assume it means potatoes per guinea pig

    [–] scholar@lemmy.world 4 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

    Boot off usb, create partitions, wait, spend five screens clicking 'no' on all of the options, unplug ethernet so it allows you to make a local account, wait, login, spend 15 minutes uninstalling all of the preinstalled nonsense, disable all of the advertising on the task bar and desktop, pretend the rest of the telemetry doesn't exist, download and install the latest drivers from each manufacturers website. Very simple.

    [–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 1 points 46 minutes ago

    You got a point up until you login.

    Afterwards, just run a powershell script that automatically uninstalls the bloat and disables all the stuff you don't want. Takes 30 seconds at most.

    Drivers are automatically installed via Windows update for everything except Nvidia.

    [–] Luccus 6 points 3 hours ago

    Man. Last time I just wanted to check if my new laptop was working properly, so I booted up it's preinstalled Windows. I literally had to look up how to get Windows to get me into Explorer without creating an account or connecting it to my network.

    It took me about 25 minutes and Windows was already installed on the damn thing.

    It took 15 minutes from booting a prepared Fedora stick to logging in.

    I honestly believe that, by now, Linux is no more difficult than Windows. People are just not used to the differences.

    [–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

    Debian is not easy

    [–] PieMePlenty@lemmy.world 32 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

    Biased as fuck lol. Installing windows is not difficult. I did it first time at the age of 8 witn WIndows 98 and their newer installers are made so the general public can do it. And the bloat and spyware? Thats windows dude. Its not meant to be your OS, its meant to spy on your ass at the benefit of being familiar and (relative) easy to use. Anything you do to it post clean install is your own tinkering. Linux distros are great yall, but install difficulty is not a metric I would use to attack windows. Comparing between distros makes sense.

    [–] dolle@feddit.dk 2 points 4 hours ago

    It can be quite difficult for puzzling reasons. I bought my laptop with no OS because it was cheaper to buy a Windows license separately. I downloaded the ISO and put it on a USB drive and ... It wouldn't boot. It took me half a day and I had to follow guides with various black magic which I can't even recall what was about to finally get the thing to boot from USB. After spending over a day on that, I installed Ubuntu and set up dual booting in about 30 minutes.

    [–] Railcar8095@lemm.ee 2 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

    This doesn't say it's difficult, just says there are others which are less difficult. Even if you accept everything at default, windows installs take much longer.

    I'm not sure why you even think this is an attack on windows really. You keep saying windows is for those who want easy to use, so why not include the whole process?

    [–] DacoTaco@lemmy.world 6 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

    Longer != difficult. Windows installs are easy as fuck and id say its as simple as linux mint.
    The debloating is a choice and id say thats the same amount of work as installing stuff in linux because what it comes with is very limited.
    Im a linux mint user btw

    [–] arc@lemm.ee 1 points 4 hours ago

    Linux has made leaps and bounds with usability and ease of installation but it's no better than any other modern OS - which is a good thing. Installing Windows from a USB stick is not difficult - the simple path is literally, pick a language, select your wifi, choose who is logging in, click install and go grab a coffee. About the only difficulty if you can call it one is that some installs will ask for a serial number because it's a commercial product.

    Also, the number of questions & buttons during installation is one thing but the certainty of a functioning system is another. Linux is better at supporting old hardware, Windows is better at supporting new hardware. Choose accordingly if that matters.

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