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cross-posted from: https://feddit.org/post/4853884

cross-posted from: https://feddit.org/post/4853256

To whom it may concern.

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[–] Thorry84@feddit.nl 118 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Ah change.org the platform best known for not changing anything ever.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 32 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Yeah, but they're great at discharging the righteous indignation of people who might otherwise do something extreme like going on demonstrations or start campaigning for non-"moderate" political parties.

This way people just put their personal data next to a meaningless and powerless piece of text on a website alongside that of other people, get the feeling of release after having done something about what pisses them of, and won't do anything further about it.

Petitions are the single greatest invention of the Internet Age to keep the masses dormant (Social Media would've been it if, it wasn't that, as the far-right has shown, it can be used to turn some people into activists).

[–] schwim@lemm.ee 72 points 6 days ago (7 children)

Ah, a change.org petition . I eagerly await the sweeping improvements to life abroad.

[–] FuryMaker@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago

Has any petition here ever actually lead to any change?

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[–] lemmus@szmer.info 29 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Ew, that sounds bad. I would prefer "promote open twitter-like social media" instead of "ban X" (you can replace X with any other website/software, even FOSS one). No banning should be allowed in EU.

[–] 46_and_2@lemmy.world 11 points 5 days ago

Yeah, keep X on and pile up the multi-million fines if they don't comply with laws. That's the only thing companies care about - something eating up their profits.

And if they keep not complying - then ban it altogether, like Brazil did. I prefer to recognize and ban it for the illegal activities it does, not because some folks don't like it and banded together against it.

[–] Zink@programming.dev 4 points 5 days ago (3 children)

They should pass a resolution that all EU member nations shall create official Mastodon and Lemmy instances. Moderators and admins would be actual jobs constrained by the relevant national or EU law.

(Or replace Mastodon and Lemmy with whatever open platforms you deem appropriate)

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[–] Bruncvik@lemmy.world 102 points 6 days ago (9 children)

Everyone who signed the petition should close their Twitter accounts. And write their newspapers that they would cancel their subscriptions if the articles quoted or embedded tweets. I didn't sign any petition, and I'm already doing it. Well, sort of. I didn't have any Twitter account ro close.

[–] itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 32 points 6 days ago (8 children)

Maybe not quote, but embed. They should still quote noteworthy things on there, but don't force us to interact with the site

[–] Bruncvik@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

You can always quote without giving the source. "Politician XY said that ...", instead of "Politician XY tweeted that ..."

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[–] militaryintelligence@lemmy.world 15 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Closed it. Viva la France!

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[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 58 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Op, if you want to submit a petition to the EU, you should use their portal https://www.europarl.europa.eu/petitions/en/home not change.org

[–] Scrollone@feddit.it 6 points 5 days ago

Exactly. This is the only correct answer. Change.org petitions are as worthless as a 7 euros banknote.

[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 58 points 6 days ago (10 children)

As much as I dislike Musk, expansion of the great firewall of Europe seems like a bad idea.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 26 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

+1

They should discourage institutions from using it (and use government Mastadon instances of course). This is honestly long overdue.

[–] BeatTakeshi@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago

Yep they should keep fining him exponentially till he leaves (he obviously will never fall in line with EU rules)

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[–] mp3@lemmy.ca 43 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

Let's at least block the government agencies from using it in favor of open platforms and protocols to communicate with its citizens.

At least give me some good ole RSS in the backend, and they could host their own Mastodon instances that people can subscribe to from other public instances.

[–] MajorHavoc@programming.dev 21 points 6 days ago

Let's at least block the government agencies from using it in favor of open platforms and protocols to communicate with its citizens.

Yeah. When public services solely use Xitter or Facebook pisses me off. We can and should make that shit illegal.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 11 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Germany did this years ago. Their government hosts a mastodon instance for various agencies

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[–] maplebar@lemmy.world 35 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Corporate nationalist social media like "X" (American oligarchy) and TikTok (Chinese oligarchy) are a danger to the sovereignty and stability of the Western world.

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[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 6 days ago (3 children)

I don't like the idea of governments banning access to a website, unless its like CSAM.

[–] rustydrd@sh.itjust.works 32 points 6 days ago (17 children)

See it more like "preventing a website whose owner refuses to comply withEuropean law from operating in the EU".

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[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 16 points 5 days ago (3 children)

fuck CSAM, but where do we draw the line?

let laws regulate society and don't let government regulate directly.

for example, instead of banning access to X, outlaw the use of Social media in direct advertising. Make the EU market so hostile towards their business practices they can't legally operate.

then, it's "X" that refuses to operate within the laws we as a people have required, not just an over-reaching autocrat.

[–] LouNeko@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago (9 children)

That's a bad idea because of how reliant small businesses are on social media advertising. A regulation like that would essentially screw over every business that isn't rich enough to go to bigger advertising venues.

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Twitter is not the sole, or even the biggest social media company in Europe. It's not even in the top 3.

The advertisement sector will be fine.

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[–] 13esq@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

If someone told me "I don't like Musk, I'm going to stop using Twitter", I'd say "good for you". I think it's great when people stand up for their beliefs and put their money where their mouth is.

If someone told me "I don't like Musk, so you're not allowed to use Twitter", I'd tell them to go fuck themselves. It's none of their business whether they personally like what it is that I want to do as long as I'm not hurting anyone.

Inb4: I'm not a Twitter user and probably never will be, but I believe very strongly in the freedom of expression, even when that means I have to hear things that I don't like.

[–] hsdkfr734r@feddit.nl 21 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Block? No.

Ask public law institutions to not use it. Maybe.

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[–] atro_city@fedia.io 20 points 6 days ago (4 children)

I'm glad they at least name mastodon and not bluesky as an alternative.

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[–] tahoe@lemmy.world 16 points 6 days ago

Petition calls to ban world hunger

[–] max55@lemm.ee 4 points 5 days ago

I also don't think banning anything is the way to go. Who don't want to use X doesn't have to - there is Reddit, Mastadon, BlueSky and others.

[–] 13esq@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

How about "if you don't like Musk, don't use X or buy a Tesla?"

I personally don't really like any billionaires at all, but I'm not going to get in to a hissy fit because someone uses Microsoft Windows or bought something from Amazon.

[–] Zink@programming.dev 6 points 5 days ago (1 children)

That’s all well and good, and that’s currently my policy.

But that’s an entirely different discussion than whether banning a certain propaganda platform is worth doing and would cause the intended results.

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[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

Why stop there, why not ban Elon all together?

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