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[–] Kintarian@lemmy.world 24 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Here in California, they have decided that the best strategy is to tear down their camps and throw them in jail. Cuz that'll solve everything.

[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 25 points 6 days ago (2 children)

That way the state can make money off of them via slave labor.

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Nah the state doesnt make money. The state pays the prison with taxes and then the privately owned prison loans out its slaves for to get even more profit

[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

California actually has no private prisons, for what that's worth. But that doesn't mean state and federal prisons can't be for-profit.

State and federal prisons contract their inmates out to businesses through "work reform" programs to make things like cheap dorm furniture or food products. The business pays the prison for a contract, and the prisoners work for free or for a small credit they can spend at the prison comissary. Or sometimes it reduces the debt they get stuck with when they leave prison, because the government bills people for the cost of their own incarceration.

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 6 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)
[–] Trollivier@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Here in Montreal they just tear down their camps and hope they will go away.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago

Canada's weather is a natural deterrent.

And by deterrent I mean they dead.

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 12 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Although I support the idea, simplifying the problem to one of only supply and demand doesn't address the core issues of mental health, substance abuse and physical disabilities that might have in great part contributed to the individual being unhoused. Along with affordable housing and free temporary housing we need to also provide free resources to help individuals get back on their feet (as a matter of speaking).

[–] lurch@sh.itjust.works 9 points 6 days ago

Can confirm. Talked to a few homeless and I think most are mentally unfit to seek help, apply for government programmes, work or even care for a home they would get for free. Those people belong in some asylum where they get therapy.

[–] IcyToes@sh.itjust.works 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

But housing does solve someone being homeless...

[–] ahornsirup 2 points 6 days ago

Not if they're immediately kicked out again because of damage to the home or because they're intolerable and/or dangerous to the neighbours. And that's not even accounting for the people who have more invisible mental health issues that still prevent them from holding a job and paying their rent/mortgage without permanent government assistance. If you want to fix homelessness you need to address mental health as well as housing. Neither is optional, it needs to be both.

[–] ThePyroPython@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Please tell me how one would stay safe, sane, and sober without a roof over one's head, a door one can lock, and food in one's stomach?

Shelter is the next need up from food in the pyramid of needs. Solve that first for a strong foundation for a life.

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 10 points 6 days ago

You missed my point. To address the issue of homelessness, you need to attack all of the underlying issues at once, not just lack of shelter.

[–] Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It's weird how people here this that's the only issue. They don't realize how many mentally ill people are incapable of living a regular life in a home with a job, etc. Just giving someone a house isn't gonna fix their mental health issues

[–] LwL@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

A lot of them are though (often times the health issues stem from being homeless anyway). And for the ones that aren't, they can still have a home, even ignoring that I think it's a basic right, I'd rather they do whatever they do inside their home than in a public park.

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 7 points 6 days ago

He's right, we have enough houses. Over 20 per homless person

[–] SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml 4 points 6 days ago
[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

We need to build up. Nimbys need to stfu.