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[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 43 minutes ago

Second person never has a gender in English. Saying "you" should also be fine, or "thee" if you feel like getting your quaker on.

Special requests notwithstanding - the platinum rule here is just to accommodate whatever you reasonably can.

[–] Routhinator@startrek.website 7 points 5 hours ago

How you fuckers doing, eh?

[–] chillBurner@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 hours ago

Fwiw, second person is fine as long as there's no misgendering... It's like calling someone by their name

[–] Machinist@lemmy.world 4 points 5 hours ago

Having exported myself from the deep South to Yankee land, "Y'all have a good one!" never fails to brighten the day of someone working a cash register.

In general, folks up here really like southern politeness. They think sugar wouldn't melt in my mouth. I get stopped in stores to talk all the time. Pretty frequently, they just give me a discount. I thought Yankees were supposed to be rude, but they're actually really nice in public.

[–] Retrograde@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago
[–] 0_0j@lemmy.world 8 points 12 hours ago

Youse LOL, almost lost it when I heard it one time

[–] Stalinwolf@lemmy.ca 8 points 16 hours ago
[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Where's my fellow "yo'd'll"s at

[–] halfeatenpotato@lonestarlemmy.mooo.com 4 points 10 hours ago (1 children)
[–] SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 hours ago

Oh....you know 😏

[–] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 29 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (9 children)

People where I am from call everyone "you guys" - men, women, trans, doesn't matter, everyone is just "you guys" even when it's a woman addressing a group of women.

The literal meaning isn't gender neutral, but in actual practice, it 100% is.

As for "y'all" or "you all", I don't see how it could possibly be interpreted as offensive to any gender.

[–] tonyn@lemmy.ml 15 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

"You People" is the one to be avoided

[–] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 9 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

"howdy fuckers" is the opposite as it sounds bad on paper but in practice it goes over well (except with middle aged moms)

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 12 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

"G'day cunts" goes over either extremely well or extremely poorly, with no in-between

Ah the classic way to say hello in Australian.

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[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 69 points 1 day ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (7 children)

"y'all" fills a legitimately useful gap the English language has. Other languages have a word like this.

Edit: also something cool I just found out, some languages have a way to disinguish "we" (you and I), and "we" (me and the rest of us, not you). It's called clusivity and is missing from European languages. Many indigenous languages of the Americas and Oceania have this, as well as Vietnamese and northern dialects of Mandarin.

[–] doubtingtammy@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Not a gap in every dialect! "Ye" is another plural second person used in Ireland

[–] Lemmy_2019@lemmy.one 1 points 2 hours ago

And youse in Dublin.

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I mean, neither "you" nor "all" is a gendered term in any way

[–] littlewonder@lemmy.world 9 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

I'm from "you guys" but I've lived in "y'all" and now I'm forever team "y'all," regardless of where I'm living.

It's the best export from the south, except maybe Texas brisket and pecan pie.

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[–] nadiaraven@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Y'all is the opposite of offensive for trans people. I lived in the south for a while, and I now use y'all specifically to be inclusive. I wouldn't say "you guys" is offensive to trans women, but I would say for me and likely other trans women it briefly brings to mind being misgendered in the past, so I would call it a small kindness to ube as gender neutral as possible.

[–] myusernameis@lemmy.ca 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Yup, I specifically use y'all and recommend it to people (like my parents) to replace gendered phrases, and I'm not from the y'all zone.

Still up for debate, "dude" and "hun/hon".

*I'm a trans woman also

[–] ouRKaoS@lemmy.today 3 points 13 hours ago

As a cis male, I've exclusively been called "Hun / Hon" by waitresses and gay men.

I've not been offended by any of them.

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[–] BlueSquid0741@lemmy.sdf.org 80 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I would have thought that β€œy’all” is even more so gender neutral and therefore less offensive/more accepted. It’s a contraction of β€œyou all” right?

[–] bravesilvernest@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Y'all has become my goto nowadays, up in the northeast

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[–] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 39 points 1 day ago (9 children)
[–] So_zetta_slowpoke@lemmy.world 6 points 22 hours ago

Yinz goin aht n abaht in dahntahn Picksburgh to watch da Stillers game?

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[–] TwoBeeSan@lemmy.world 39 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yall is the genderless southern hospitality greeting.

No bullshit no hate. Only yall

[–] stardom8048@lemmy.world 47 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I've used y'all intentionally as a gender neutral term for years in the south.

Lately I've even seen "y'all means all" used as a pride slogan in the south.

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 5 points 22 hours ago

Awesome! Thanks comrade.

[–] ninjaturtle@lemmy.today 17 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I'm not from the south and use "y'all" all the time. Find it very useful for filling in a gap that English has and slightly faster than saying "you all". Its gender neutral in my opinion.

Never once thought of it as offensive.

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[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 8 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

Y'all reminds me of the bible belt. I'm not transgender but I am queer and now and then it makes me uncomfortable.

[–] Alice@beehaw.org 4 points 18 hours ago

Queer people who live in the bible belt still say "y'all". It literally means "you all".

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[–] Arkhive@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Maine I think loops back around to y’all territory…

[–] timeeeee@midwest.social 1 points 14 hours ago

As someone that grew up in y'all territory in Kansas, it's wildly easy to connect to people from Maine!

[–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 47 points 1 day ago (15 children)

I’m from Australia and I’ve started calling all groups of people yall because it’s gender neutral… very unaustralian term, and I love so much the irony of iconic southern terms being used to support trans activism

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[–] dumples@midwest.social 7 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

We need a better second person plural in English. Y'all works but its a big language gap

[–] ShareMySims@sh.itjust.works 6 points 15 hours ago

Hey...

Folks

Friends

Comrades

Everyone

People

Pals

You motley crew

Weirdos

Siblings

Fuckers

..how you doing, wanna go to the movies?

(this is by no means exhaustive list, the point is there are plenty of existing and perfectly acceptable alternatives, pick one, or more, and get comfortable with it)

[–] crazybrain@lemmy.spacestation14.com 5 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I've heard people say "yous" before.

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