“I DO NOT HAVE AN INTERNATIONAL TREATY WITH YOU” is about to be my go to line to get out of uncomfortable situations.
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I still like, "YOU'RE NOT MY SUPERVISOR"
"THIS IS NOT MY BEAUTIFUL WIFE"
I love this assertion by them. Because it's them saying they are an independent nation. But they are living on or within the US's declared borders and do not have a treaty as the American Indians do. Therefore they'd qualify as invaders or secessionist and the US military/immigration authorities should have jurisdiction to prosecute them. Afterall, this Sovereign Citizen is currently abroad in another country.
I DO NOT KNOW WHO YOU ARE
I DO NOT UNDERSTAND YOUR INTENT
Bullshit. You know that mail is regarding the child support payments you're trying to weasel your way out of.
They are always asking how to "discharge" child support on the sovcit groups.
Is there no counter narrative of unsatisfied customers who chime in on every post to say "I tried this nonsense in family court and the judge took my kids gave my ex sole custody!"
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One of those was a census. How tiny is their world if they don't know what a census is, and who sends them?
What is census? And who's sending it?
(asks non usa-an)
If your serious, it's something we do every few years to see how many people live in the US (like how many people live at your house), what race and gender you all are, income and that sort of thing. Basically it just gives the government a general idea of how many people live in the US, whether or not they are citizens and other social and economic shit. You fill them out anonymously and it only effects general population reports and stuff, it doesn't really effect you personally. It's pretty much only used for statistical purposes.
I think the MDHS one is Mississippi child support and this "sovereign citizen" is a deadbeat parent (surprise).
Out of curiosity, does your country not have a census? I would have guessed every country does to have accurate information about their populace.
The MDHS State Disbursement Unit is the Child Support department. Dude went nuts because he doesn't want to pay child support. What a POS.
One of their biggest things they're always trying to do is "discharge" theur child support.
Yeah they are. But fun fact, garnishments and liens work just as well without an INTERNATIONAL TREATY and a surprising number of these loons still work and own stuff.
Yes but they're their own country, and the USA needs to form a treaty to have say in their business, unless they're "travelling" or receiving welfare or benefit in some other way
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I only agreed to get my dick wet, your child support contract is invalid
> Refuses to open letter
> I DO NOT UNDERSTAND YOUR INTENT
Ok, buddy.
If they don't open it they can't have read it and therefore aren't bound by what's in it. <- sovcit logic
I mean, that does work. Unless the letter is sent certified mail, it's not guaranteed to arrive. It could be lost on the way so they can't prove you got it.
Of course if you write all over it and post it online then you clearly got it.
By and large, I think most of these people are just trying to get out of legal and financial obligations. I bet if a government agency sent them a check, they'd fucking cash it. But it's when they're required to pay money or complete the littlest forms that they balk. They are just bad scammers.
The best thing about sovereign citizens is they're the only ones not in on the joke.
And they so persistently do not understand why their BS doesn't work.
Honestly their BS does kind of work they just seem unable to grasp that all the things they're saying also apply to everyone else. They don't have to aknowledge their electricity providers authority to charge them for electricity and the electric company doesn't have to keep supplying it. Its like some kind of extreme narcisicm.
'Cept in most locales you have to maintain your home's "habitability status" to not get it condemned, which requires having a functional electrical supply. And usually also working plumbing, heat, some manner of cooking apparatus, and a refrigerator.
"Muh Freedumb!" aside, these types of code requirements were as I understand it at least initially put into place to prevent slumlords from charging rent for an "apartment" that has access to none of the above.
Anyhow, if you really don't want to pay electric bills it's really not too tough to get yourself some solar panels or something. Somehow that never occurs to these people. There are counties out in the boondocks where you are permitted by law to live fully off the grid if you feel like it, so maybe they ought to move there and quit bothering everybody with their nonsense.
I think water and sewage are required but I don't think electricity is because a property is technically habitable without power. As long as there is not a vulnerable person confirmed living at the address. I mean it all seems a bit arbitrary, but apparently those are the rules.
I think it's mostly about making it unpleasant for squatters without violating their human rights too much. It straddles the line but not too badly.
This is another one of them there varies by state/county/city things. Where I live you must be connected to the grid. This causes problems for people who don't want to be connected to the grid, i.e. they have more than enough solar or windmill and battery capacity to not require it from a functional standpoint. But the county forbids you from not paying the local electricity monopoly their monthly bribe.
This is relatively recent -- as of the last 4 or 5 years or so. The power company now helpfully charges a "connection fee" if you use 0 kWh, which started happening exactly at the same time the law was passed to make it illegal not to be connected to them. I can't help but conclude that these two facts are not coincidental.
Is this the kind of people who post disclaimers in social media that "unauthorize" the company running said social media from using the "content" they post there?
Or add a cc license to their Lemmy posts
That shit made me cackle when I saw it
What's wrong with that?
CC BY-NC-ND 4.0
"Not a US citizen"
Okay, so GTFO if you're renouncing your citizenship. And don't use any public roads or services as you're leaving...
doesn't US charge you for giving up your citizenship too?
Yup, its an old Civil War era law for folks who tried to avoid dying in the Civil War by moving to Canada. Reasoning was, if you wanted to draft dodge you could support the war financially instead. Then during the early 2000s as folks who graduated college at the wrong time and ended up more college debt than they can ever pay off started moving abroad to escape it, they increased the fee and took other steps to make renouncing more difficult since expats were renouncing their citizenship to stop owing taxes in the US
ended up more college debt than they can ever pay off started moving abroad to escape it, they increased the fee
Short version: USA wanted slaves
to stop owing taxes in the US
I'm not a lawyer and I'm not from US, but I'm pretty sure this is not how it works.
I'm not a lawyer and I'm not from US, but I'm pretty sure this is not how it works.
Ah but it is. The US is, as far as I know, the only country who taxes its citizens who are living abroad. And yes, it is as stupid and shitty as it sounds.
Yeah it's something like $2600
Just deport them, and since they have nowhere to go, I guess that means throw them in the ocean?
To Mexico, it would be funny so see their faces. /s
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