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Europe won’t be able to finance Ukraine’s defenses against Russia’s invasion on its own if the US withdraws support under Donald Trump’s next presidency, Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban said Friday.

Orban said recent events vindicated the conclusions from his controversial July diplomatic mission to Kyiv, Moscow and Beijing and showed Ukraine was losing the war.

“The Americans are going to get out of this war,” Orban, who is hosting a European Union summit in Budapest on Friday, said on public radio. “Europe can’t finance this war on its own.”

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[–] bobr@lemmy.libertarianfellowship.org -4 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 56 minutes ago) (1 children)

For all the people here "supporting Ukraine" because you know, if Putin captures Ukraine then he will genocide Ukrainians and all that - this is exactly the same narration that Zelensky's regime is using to kidnap people and send them to the meatgrinder (kill them). A video from Kharkiv where TCC attempts to kidnap people from a bus scaring them with "Russian World" coming to Ukraine: https://files.catbox.moe/c72hez.MP4

People in the bus are accusing them of being "a traitor to the motherland" and telling them to go fuck themselves. But you know better what those people should do, right? They all should go and die for your wild fantasies of "but but but Putin will invade the whole world if we don't stop him (well, not you personally of course, why would you go and fight your wars, but you know, Ukrainians)".
After all, Zelensky said that Ukrainians are willing to fight, and he would never lie, right? All the videos, articles in your western medias about people NOT wanting to fight but still being exterminated by Zelensky's regime, etc are fakes.

[–] mistahbenny@lemmy.ml -2 points 58 minutes ago
[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 80 points 9 hours ago (3 children)

Once again, Orban says exactly what Putin wants him to say

At some point it becomes malicious to even print what he says

[–] hackerwacker@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 hours ago

Once again, a lemmy.world poster says exactly what the state department wants him to say.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I’m sick & tired of this “vegetarians are just repeating Hitler talking points” fallacious reasoning.

Two people can come to the same conclusion without one parroting the other. In fact two people can come to the same conclusion for completely different reasons, or through completely different reasoning.

[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world -3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)
[–] davel@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 hours ago

Oh, I remember you 😂

Conservatives/Shills I made delete their accounts in shame by beating them in arguments : 2

I think we went over this already…

Are we going to blame Russian bots for Harris’ loss as well? Because the FBI was already trying to the week before election day. FBI links video falsely depicting voter fraud in Georgia to ‘Russian influence actors’

[–] makyo@lemmy.world 42 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

He’s wrong of course, Europe’s economy is many times stronger than Russia’s. The real question is if they can find the collective will to defend themselves.

[–] uebquauntbez@lemmy.world 6 points 6 hours ago

Orban only fears the EU gives less money to him.

[–] TheBlue22@lemmy.blahaj.zone 28 points 9 hours ago

In a sane world, orban, putin, Fico and Trump would have been rid of years ago

[–] justdoitlater@lemmy.world 15 points 9 hours ago

Orban is a traitor to democracy and mankind, fuck him.

[–] Hirom@beehaw.org 1 points 5 hours ago

Says the man always dragging his feet when time comes to support Ukraine's self-defense

[–] 1984@beehaw.org -1 points 4 hours ago

Can this guy die already? And Fico too? It would help the region immensely.

[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world -3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Don't put a shithead's message in the headline. It spreads it. Headlines must be true, not false.

Look up George Lakoff videos, everybody.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

The Eurozone is structurally neoliberal, austerian, and anti-Keynesian, and Europe—which was already greatly de-industrialized—is right now further de-industrializing thanks to their self-imposed sanctions against Russia (and thanks to their NATO “partner” blowing up their gas pipeline), which has raised energy prices.

Orban is correct.

[–] PanArab@lemmy.ml 0 points 5 hours ago

The only positive outcome from Harris losing.

[–] bobr@lemmy.libertarianfellowship.org -5 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

The Americans are going to get out of this war,

I just hope he is correct

[–] frozenspinach@lemmy.ml 27 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I hope the Russians get out of it as it has hurt them the most.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 hours ago

It has unquestionably hurt the Ukrainian people the most.

[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 8 points 8 hours ago

The Americans aren't in the war. They're just dealing in arms.