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[–] BlueMacaw@lemmy.world 1 points 18 minutes ago

To everyone in here saying that this is the end of democracy and this is the end times, what is stopping you from buying a gun and training with other liberals/leftists? Or are you just going to keel over and die?

[–] Snapz@lemmy.world 6 points 1 hour ago

One of the biggest things is that the "deep state", an innocuous thing turned into a convenient boogeyman by trump, will be quietly destroyed. This is the thing that actually keep your mail arriving, your food edible and your children's toys not coated in lead. The "deep state", meaning actual subject matter experts doing their jobs throughout entire government for years, regardless of current administration, are all going to be replaced by kid rock and vaping young republicans fresh from dropping out of their second semester in at The University of Southern Alabama State.

That's who's going to be the dude inspecting your meat for e.coli and signing off on the clinical trials for your perception meds - Gunner, Hunter and Ryder.

Really don't think anyone is considering the reality of how deeply fucked we're going to be as we're all fixed fully on the front door for obvious signs of trouble (immediate societal decay), while this broken people fill the crawlspace with fertilizer and gasoline and kick in the backdoor with flamethrowers in hand.

We're fucked, and we're going to be focused on monitoring the wrong indicators of how fucked, until it is just beyond any repair within any of our lifetimes. You're going to have FIVE fundamentally broken petite on the Supreme Court for the rest of your life. It's over.

[–] 1SimpleTailor@startrek.website 3 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Fucked regardless but how fucked remains to be seen. Just as before, Trump will spend his presidency golfing, what really matters are his cabinet picks. Best case scenario is that just like 2016-2020 in-fighting and general incompetence make the administration a revolving door and keep the Christian Nationalist from realizing their darkest ambitions. Worst Case is that the Fascist have learned from their mistakes. I also think Trump either dying or being forced to step down (with a pardon of course) is a possibility that is on the table. Vance is a much more competent Fascist and this is definitely a worst case scenario.

Regardless, I think there are a few things that are guaranteed to happen:

  • The dismantling of much of the Federal Government. Starve the Beast will finally come to fuition. The department of Eduction, the FDA, The EPA, ect will become toothless if not entirely abolished. De-regilation will bring us back to early 20th century levels of consumer protection and quality control. Read "The Jungle" to get an idea. Public Health is going to tank dramatically.
  • The little safety net Americans have will be pulled out from under them. Workers will be entirely beholden to their employers. The price of most consumer goods will surge, bankruptcy from healthcare cost will skyrocket, and homelessness will become even more common. Homelessness will become completely criminalized and the % of the American population imprisoned will make today's prison population look small.
  • The police and surveillance state will be expanded dramatically with the intent of targeting undesirables. Immigrants will be deported, while Trans people and political dissidents will be labeled as sexual criminals and will be eliminated. As time marches on more groups will be targets for the state. People around you will simply disappear sometimes, victims of secret police.
  • An increase in media censorship by morality police. Pornography will be banned, and using that vague label media critical of the regime or expressing ideas against the regimes interest will be censored.
  • The US will pull out of NATO and pursue a policy of isolation. Authoritarian and expansionist regimes around the world will be allowed to pursue their interests unchecked.
  • A general brain-drain as educated people with the means to do so flee to Canada or Europe. As time passes it is likely that emigration from America will be made more difficult by the state, effectively stranding people here who didn't get out soon enough.
  • We will completely miss the window to do anything to avoid the worst-case scenarios for climate change. So it's not just America that's fucked here.

Smoke em while you got em, it's about to get rough for everyone. We are in the death throes of the Neo-Liberal world order. Buy a firearm and get a vpn. There's never been a better time to go vegan and get in shape. Do what you can for the people you care about.

Even if trump doesn't do everything in project 2025, the supreme court picks mean we're basically ultra fucked. Like, that's best case.

[–] 46_and_2@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago

The orange shrivelled taco will probably keel over before his term ends. Just look at him, does this look like someone who might survive four more years?

What would happen afterwards with JD Vance at the helm I'm less clear.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 30 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

Between 2017 and 2021, things got pretty bad. Riots, wars, a plague, economic crash, and it ended with a mob breaking into the nation's capital and trashing the place.

Can't imagine a repeat will be better.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Wr can hope not to repeat the plague, but with Trump empowering anti-vaxxers, even that can't be taken for granted.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

Oh yeah, we're absolutely getting a fucking measles epidemic before the end of his term.

[–] leftytighty@slrpnk.net 23 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

That was with moderates and non-partisan civil servants playing interference on his worst ideas.

You remember everything that came out about how people would ignore his orders until he forgot?

None of those people will be there

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

At some point he needs to be able to physically enact proposals. Like, it's one thing to say "Build a wall" and it's another to get the land rights, hire the contractors, do the work, maintain it on competition, etc, etc.

You can go down to the border now and you'll find this rink a dink bullshit that's falling over in a light breeze. Then you've got spools full of razor wire tossed into the steadily shallower Rip Grande. People got paid tens of millions to put that garbage in the ground. And that was under an ostensibly competent administration.

I agree we're going to get a ton of shit policy. Police violence under Trump is going to skyrocket. Vigilantee violence is going to jump. Border guard violence is going through the roof. But, like, is he going to build anything that can last? Or is he going to get the Americanized version of Neom? A bunch of scammers delivering invisible clothes to prance around in.

I guess we'll find out.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

America has always been a white supremacist slave colony.

It will still be fucking over the entire planet.

[–] RangerJosie@lemmy.world 12 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

Breathtakingly fucked. Wannabe dictator with a mandate from the dumbest mfers alive.

But take heart. The battle for the US is now a fight between the old guard Reaganite Republicans and the out&out Fascists. For the next 4 years at least the Dems are a complete non-factor. I hope the DNC is proud of their accomplishment.

All the worst possible things that could happen are now not just on the table but incredibly likely.

[–] masquenox@lemmy.world 5 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

old guard Reaganite Republicans

So, the non-overt fascists?

[–] RangerJosie@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

Yes.

All they really care about is strengthening the oligarchy. Cutting taxes. Deregulation. If it benefits big business, they're for it. And that's where the conflict will arise. The loud and proud fascists want shit like mass deportations. The Reaganites know that's bad news for a lot of businesses. Construction, agriculture, etc.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Also now he's convinced that God specifically saved him from a bullet and chose him...

[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 50 points 6 hours ago (5 children)

Some people are going to die-- mostly women. More people are going to have their lives turned upside-down, especially immigrants and ethnic and sexual minorities. Many immigrants, even legal ones, are going to be expelled. Corporations are going to run wild as regulation is abandoned. People are going to be bankrupted by predatory healthcare firms at a much higher rate than now. Every form of corporate pollution, adulteration, cheating and chicanery will be tolerated. The judiciary will be further corrupted. The US will not only withdraw from NATO, but will try to shut it down. Ukraine will be handed to Putin on a platter. Taiwan, the Baltics, Moldova and Poland will be left to fend for themselves. The ethnic cleansing in Gaza will transition even further to a full-scale genocide. Every aspect of government will be handed to corrupt, incompetent fanatics: kakistocracy all the way down. The impartiality of the civil service will be destroyed and the 19th-century spoils system reinstated. Social Security will be privatized and gutted. Obamacare will be eliminated. Congress will hold show trials of Trump's perceived enemies. Terrorist acts and sabotage of critical infrastructure will massively increase, and the clampdowns that follow will be used to further degrade what few rights we still have.

But at least you won't have Kamala's pantsuit to complain about.

[–] insufferableninja@lemdro.id 3 points 2 hours ago

bro, i know all that stuff is bad, but have you heard her laugh? we made a solid choice.

(i hope i don't need the /s, but Poe's Law says i probably do)

[–] rwtwm@feddit.uk 11 points 4 hours ago (4 children)

All that, and you may have left out the most damaging of all.. Trump will likely pull the US out of Copenhagen, leaving no chance of limiting temps below 2C let alone getting anywhere near 1.5C. The excess deaths from this will likely dwarf COVID.

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[–] Dkarma@lemmy.world 4 points 4 hours ago

Wait until he mobilizes the military into blue states to force compliance.

[–] humble_pete_digger@lemm.ee 4 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

Why dont you guys start your own " stop the steal"?
Just say that 20 million illegals voted for trump, Kamala won and all this is just big election fraud.

Just wondering.

[–] y0kai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

Why doesn't biden commit some "official acts"

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[–] KeenFlame@feddit.nu 19 points 6 hours ago

The planner will never recover from his systematic sabotage of all efforts to save it. This is what scares me most. He lies through his teeth to make money, a lakey to soulless corporate mega entities and the entire human race will pay for this one man's greed, long after he has died. Our kids will pay for his opulence and that to me is so sad.

[–] DeLacue@lemmy.world 32 points 7 hours ago (15 children)

Multiple regulatory bodies are going to get disbanded. The EPA is unlikely to survive, whole departments of the FDA are about to get gutted. Anything involving industrial safety is going to get its funding cut. Unconstitutional crackdowns on free and independent media is almost certain. Large scale damage to the functions of many government institutions can be expected. Massive economic damage due to reckless deregulation ( that's even before they start putting tariffs on everything and wind up in multiple simultaneous trade wars). Funding for education and infrastructure maintenance will be reduced to allow tax cuts for the already wealthy. Massive loss of global influence and a massive gain in influence by hostile autocratic nations is also something you can expect.

I could go on and on but even if you were to assume they weren't serious about project 2025 (if you haven't read that you should) it's real bad.

[–] uxia@midwest.social 2 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

call me hopelessly naiive but just.. why? the why is what i can never wrap my head around? why do they want to destroy the country? do they hate it? and like.. why would people want to get rid of social security? do they just want people after 65 years old to.. die? why?? i'm so sad..

[–] BlueMacaw@lemmy.world 1 points 6 minutes ago

Many believe they are saving the country by voting for Trump. Everyone sees that America is going downhill. Everything is more expensive, more uncertain, more precarious. Leftists blame corporations and corporate capture of government agencies. Right wingers think that more corporate power is good and if left unchecked, the "free market" (aka government rules that favor unchecked corporate malfeasance) will be better for America.

People vote for their economic interests, as best as they can understand them. Most on the right think that their economic interests are served by corporate deregulation and scapegoating of immigrants. However, within that context, this is also why removing social security is not realistic. That's a direct attack on people's benefits, which they are not in favor of. Right wing corporate types want to cut social security so they don't have to pay taxes, or there will be more money in the government coffers to give back to the corporations. But the majority of right wing people that the corporate types rely on for votes will never vote to repeal social security.

[–] yessikg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 hours ago

Dictators only care about one thing: absolute power. They will destroy the country they take over to get that power and to keep it for as long as possible

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