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I highly doubt the left will do anything uncivil. How can they win back the country? Is it too late?

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[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 54 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The average death age of any empire is 250 years.

Tick tock America. You're proving that figure to be correct.

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[–] Sgt_choke_n_stroke@lemmy.world 60 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Facism is capitalism in decay. America just proved that the decay is rapid.

Liberal institutions just paved the way for facism to take root.

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[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 41 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Biden could do some official acts. But he won't.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 15 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

He should at least transfer a shitton of military gear to Ukraine in the coming days. Not little stuff either.

Top-tier tanks, jets, warships, and more. Enough to absolutely crush the Russian war machine. Basically everything shy of nukes and loads of it.

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[–] linearchaos@lemmy.world 47 points 1 day ago (10 children)

I'm not sure that we do. Not in our lifetimes anyway.

With a functional justice department we'd have a chance. There's nothing to stop them from tweaking the electoral lines. There's nothing to stop them from not certifying an election. We're about to have the scotus filled with young like-minded Republicans. We're about to have every federal judge biased for them.

Even having both sides of Congress the best thing we could do would be to status quo because every time a veto is overturned the scotus could just stamp it down as unconstitutional.

The president has God King status, he can have opponents jail for executed.

The thing is even if none of these things were in play, The popular vote just voted for a dictatorship. He was utterly and absolutely clear and anyone that says he was joking around doesn't actually believe that they're just too embarrass socially to announce that they themselves are racist/fascist/misogynist. There is nothing here to win back. We're better than 50% rotten to the core and those people aren't going away.

Even this election wasn't right versus left it's right versus more right. If you put a true left candidate in they're just going to get murdered. (That may or may not be literal)

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[–] L0rdMathias@sh.itjust.works 5 points 17 hours ago

Win back? This country was bought and paid for long before any of us were alive. We keep fighting against the oligarhy for liberty and freedom like we've always done.

[–] paddirn@lemmy.world 121 points 1 day ago (8 children)

As an American, I expected most Americans to be at least semi-rational and to recognize what a threat to democracy and our way of life that Trump is. I expected most Republicans to just vote for him out of reflex, but otherwise the rest of America would rise up in our hour of need to vote against this and save us all from this idiocy.

Nope. There was just more people lined up to vote for more idiocy. We failed the world. I’d say I’m sorry, but I don’t think that’ll help. This is America.

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[–] VinesNFluff@pawb.social 60 points 1 day ago (16 children)

Honestly at this point y'all should just get the fuck out. Where to? Anywhere honestly. You'll probably find the third world preferable to a post project 2025 Murica.

Russia's been having a major brain drain issue as all people with functioning brains either have escaped or want to escape the country. I don't see why Americans should do any different.

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[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 43 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (8 children)

THIS is the moment where everyone should be creating 3rd party candidates and going to the streets to spread awareness for the next election.

Not 6 months before the election with trump as a possibility. Get out there and promote 3rd party now, when people are pissed at Democrats for throwing it all away for Israel and people are pissed the trump won.

[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 16 points 21 hours ago

"Next election" is the issue here.

Those playbooks are for democracy. This is different territory now.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 35 points 1 day ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

IMO third party is not viable unless we change our voting system, but people keep voting out the progressive reform party so fat chance.

EDIT: 100% for independents in Congress tho, as long as it doesnt split the vote for progressives.

[–] Philosofuel@futurology.today 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Do you really think they lost over their stance on Israel/Palestina? Not saying it doesn't matter. But I feel if you see how many votes republicans got, that a lot of (perceived) domestic issues played a very big role.

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[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 32 points 1 day ago

Americans have lost. Bestyou can do is try to save NATO.

[–] hightrix@lemmy.world 8 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

The Democratic Party needs to run a candidate that is elected through a fair primary process. When this happens, dems win.

2008 - Obama was popular and won the primary 2012 - same 2016 - It was deemed Clinton’s turn, she was given every advantage, and lost 2020 - Biden won the primary as elected by the people, then won again 2024 - Harris was given the candidacy without having to primary, and lost

It is a simple trend.

[–] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 4 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

Though to be fair, Biden won the (practically uncontested) primaries in 2024 and probably would have gotten his shit stomped in just as hard

[–] hightrix@lemmy.world 6 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I wouldn’t call the 2024 primaries fair. Biden was ordained, like Clinton.

There’s a reason these predetermined candidates keep losing.

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[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 2 points 15 hours ago

Biden was losing 2020 by an embarrassing margin until ALL the other candidates except Bernie Sanders dropped out to coalesce behind Biden in SC.

Whatever happened to Liz "et tu, Brute" Warren?

[–] jeena@piefed.jeena.net 150 points 1 day ago (20 children)

Democracy is just the tyranny of the majority.

I think that most of the Americans want this, even if people on the outside do not understand. So in that sense they are right now winning back their country, as confusing as it might sound.

[–] Deadlytosty@feddit.nl 101 points 1 day ago (18 children)

Normally in Democracy the majority or popular vote wins, however due to the electoral college America has, it doesnt necessarily mean the majority voted for the winner. This was the case for Bush, and some other moments in the past.

[–] rglullis@communick.news 181 points 1 day ago (12 children)

FYI: it looks like Trump is going to win the popular vote on this one as well.

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 166 points 1 day ago (14 children)

How in the fuck.

Like what drives a majority of Americans to vote for a demented toddler. It's insane.

As a kid I always wondered how on Earth did Hitler ever make anyone follow himself, how did those people not realise. Turns out a majority of people are just fucking morons.

[–] douglasg14b@lemmy.world 78 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

Yep and the slow gutting of the education system isn't making it any better.

You have an entire generation coming of voting age who are rabid Trump supporters. They don't care about policies or democracy or public institutions. They don't care about healthcare, social securities, or the stability of the economy.

They don't care about any of the things that have been built up through generations. They lack critical thinking ability.

The recipe works. If you make dumb kids they will vote for dumb people. It works so well that part of the future plan for a trump presidency is to get rid of the department of education. Solidifying the Republican party indefinitely.

Without critical thinking and with mass media it's so easy to say every problem that people deal with is because the "other side" made it so. Even if the other side has been doing everything possible to achieve the opposite.

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[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 69 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

By finally doing what it clearly needs to do, splitting in multiple countries so red States can finally become third world countries like they so want to be.

[–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 43 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's funny that the last time this was floated by Republicans, they thought they were kicking the Democrat states out.

In other words, they thought they were keeping the Federal government.

Republican states need Democrat states far more than vice versa.

If Trump truly does win, Republicans won't split the country. They'll make it even more impossible to leave.

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[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 4 points 17 hours ago

Too late for that.

[–] masquenox@lemmy.world 3 points 16 hours ago (4 children)

I highly doubt the left will do anything uncivil.

Firstly, undestanding what left actually is would be a good start. You're not talking about the left. You're talking about liberals. Liberalism isn't left. Liberalism is right-wing, and always have been.

The actual left is very happy to be "uncivil."

Secondly, a good second step would be to finally accept that liberals, and liberalism in general, has never, and will never, oppose fascism.

Those are two very basic things you can do right now.

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[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 39 points 1 day ago (9 children)

It's been "too late" for 'mericans to "win back the country" for a couple of decades at least. I mean, the entire electoral/voting system needs to be redone from the ground up because it's very non-democratic.

[–] dan1101@lemm.ee 38 points 1 day ago (10 children)

If Trump won the electoral college but not the popular vote I'd say it is.non-Democratic. But he won the popular vote too. So half the country are just self destructive.

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[–] Myro@lemm.ee 77 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I think this is going to be the end of the USA as we know it. After this period, democracy will be significantly impacted.

[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 80 points 1 day ago (3 children)

The western world as a whole should be terrified. There has been a sharp dip towards conservatism that will only accelerate with Trump back at the helm in the US. Brexit didn't occur in a vacuum.

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