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[–] shadearg@lemmy.world 162 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (3 children)
[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 33 points 4 weeks ago

Everyone: edits text, doesn't proofread it afterwards

Everyone Else: you left an artifact in there bro.

[–] slaacaa@lemmy.world 21 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (5 children)

I of course make grammar mistakes and typos when messaging/commenting from my phone, but I can’t imagine creating and posting something with a mistake like this.

10-15 years ago this would have been something to ridicule and downvote, and now most people don’t even seem to care anymore.

[–] HKPiax@lemmy.world 22 points 4 weeks ago
[–] shadearg@lemmy.world 10 points 4 weeks ago

Full disclosure: You'll notice an edit on my parent. I originally submitted isnt. No one is immune from the curse.

[–] egrets@lemmy.world 7 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Not everyone speaks English as their first language.

[–] spookex@lemmy.world 5 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

And not everyone who speaks it as their 2nd or 3rd language makes that mistake

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[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 4 points 4 weeks ago

Is nis she tis fortten??

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[–] 0ops@lemm.ee 17 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

Yous ain'ts goins nowheres

You shouldn't've

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[–] ohwhatfollyisman@lemmy.world 65 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

while the queen escapes punishment for emplooying child labour?

[–] lastunusedusername2@sh.itjust.works 77 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 25 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] msage@programming.dev 8 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] ScrotusMaximus@lemm.ee 6 points 3 weeks ago

That’s why the mirror ended up in jail: for targeting the protected class

[–] Tudsamfa@lemmy.world 55 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

I choose to believe there is a lot more to the magic object than the truth or it's own will. It's a mirror after all, what you see depends on who stands before it. If you ask to see beauty and the reflection shows how you compare to a 14 year old, that's on you.

Then again, when have these things ever been static. Shrek's iteration has it's own will.

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 22 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

It's a magic mirror from a fairy tale. It doesn't have any set rules other than what the story teller gives it.

[–] Tudsamfa@lemmy.world 19 points 4 weeks ago

I know, that's what my "when have these things ever been static" was supposed to express.

[–] HonoraryMancunian@lemmy.world 43 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

Fun fact! In the original Disney film she never says 'mirror mirror...', she says 'magic mirror...'

[–] roguetrick@lemmy.world 131 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (2 children)

Another fun fact: in Grimms fairy tales, the original story, she says mirror mirror. Also snow white was 7 when the mirror took a liking to her.

The prince also liked her corpse so much he just wanted to carry it around in it's glass coffin, but didn't want to kiss it. They drop her corpse while carrying it around and make her spit out the poisoned apple, so she revives.

"Wassup?"

[–] Xatolos@reddthat.com 30 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

Which is extra creepy when you read Neil Gaiman's (adult) version of Snow White (Snow, Glass, Apples).

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[–] Im_old@lemmy.world 19 points 4 weeks ago (4 children)

Wassup

Nothing much, I've had fun with your corpse for a while though so that was nice 😐

[–] state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

The story that Sleeping Beauty is based on, Sun, Moon, and Talia, contains blatant rape and she's awakened by her twins sucking the poisoned crap out of her finger. The brothers Grimm already changed it to a kiss.

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

TFW the Grimm's fairy tales are the sanitized ones.

[–] ekZepp@lemmy.world 5 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

Still better of a stranger kissing a girl in a coma.

[–] exasperation@lemm.ee 2 points 3 weeks ago

I told the magic mirror a thousand times, I never wanted to meet a girl in person! I just wanted a corpse. You can't disappoint a corpse! I hate you magic mirror!

[–] Xatolos@reddthat.com 20 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

And she says"who's the fairest of them all" not the hottest.

[–] excral 29 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

The original German wording is "Spieglein, Spieglein an der Wand: wer ist die schönste Frau in dem ganzen Land?". Literally translated that would be "Mirror, mirror on the wall: who is the most beautiful woman in all the land." I would let "hottest" slide as a more contemporary translation.

[–] roguetrick@lemmy.world 7 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Being able to rhyme wall(wand) with land sounds nice. "Beautifulist of them all" to perseve the rhyme doesn't sound right so hottest is about the closest you're gonna get. That or prettiest, but I prefer hottest.

[–] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

"yo shiny shit, who's the baddest hoe around? aw yeah"

[–] HonoraryMancunian@lemmy.world 10 points 4 weeks ago

*"Who is the fairest one of all"

🤓☝️

[–] yannic@lemmy.ca 8 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] Xatolos@reddthat.com 6 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

I always thought it was a combination of both looks and personality. Maybe I was wrong.

While it's been a while since I've seen the original anything, I thought it said the queen was beautiful (and so "fair") visually, but she had a cold heart as she got older and more vain (and so was no longer "fair" in personality).

[–] Confused_Emus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 36 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

The Queen and Snow might want to reconsider their foundation shade. Just sayin’…

[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 14 points 4 weeks ago

Lead just gives the perfect deathly white hue

[–] selokichtli@lemmy.ml 15 points 4 weeks ago

Reading the comments I just realized how much I like literature nerds.

[–] Jake_Farm@sopuli.xyz 13 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] morrowind@lemmy.ml 51 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

Probably ancient if it's a magic mirror. Also in the original story, snow white is 7 at this time, not 14.

That said, "hottest" is something this comic came up with, I'm pretty sure it's not about sexually attractiveness in the original

[–] thanks_shakey_snake@lemmy.ca 35 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

It's "fairest," right? So maybe the mirror just saw her doing stuff like meticulously cutting a cake into evenly-sized pieces instead of portioning out bigger ones for herself and her cronies. That'd be plausible for a 7 year old.

[–] Successful_Try543 41 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

That's the English text. In the German original (Wikipedia ), it says wer ist die schönste Frau (who is the most beautiful woman):

Sneewittchen aber wuchs heran, und als es sieben Jahr alt war, war es so schön, daß es selbst die Königin an Schönheit übertraf, und als diese ihren Spiegel fragte: „Spieglein, Spieglein an der Wand: wer ist die schönste Frau in dem ganzen Land?“ sagte der Spiegel: „Frau Königin, Ihr seyd die schönste hier, aber Sneewittchen ist noch tausendmal schöner als Ihr!“ Wie die Königin den Spiegel so sprechen hörte, ward sie blaß vor Neid, und von Stund an haßte sie das Sneewittchen, und wenn sie es ansah, und gedacht, daß durch seine Schuld sie nicht mehr die schönste auf der Welt sey, kehrte sich ihr das Herz herum. Da ließ ihr der Neid keine Ruhe, und sie rief einen Jäger und sagte zu ihm: „führ das Sneewittchen hinaus in den Wald an einen weiten abgelegenen Ort, da stichs todt, und zum Wahrzeichen bring mir seine Lunge und seine Leber mit, die will ich mit Salz kochen und essen.“

But Snow White grew up, and when she was seven years old she was so beautiful that she surpassed even the Queen in beauty, and when she asked her mirror, "Mirror, mirror on the wall, who is the most beautiful woman in all the land?" the mirror said, "Madam Queen, you are the most beautiful here, but Snow White is a thousand times more beautiful than you!" When the Queen heard the mirror speak thus, she turned pale with envy, and from that hour she hated Snow White, and when she looked at her, and thought that through his fault she was no longer the fairest in the world, her heart turned round. Then her envy left her no peace, and she called a huntsman, and said to him, "Take the Snow White out into the forest to a far-off place, there she will be killed, and as a token bring me ~~his~~ [her] lungs and liver, and I will boil them with salt and eat them."

In addition, the evil queen originally is the mother of Snow White.

[–] thedirtyknapkin@lemmy.world 20 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

fair in this context refers to paleness basically. though, it's often meant in the same way that someone today might say "she's thicc" and just mean "she's attractive" in a more general sense. fairness meant beauty to European high society at the time. aside from the obvious racial connotations, it also implies that she has spent very little time outdoors and has been free of disfiguring diseases, so high of status. it generally carries a lot of implications beyond just "white" and "clear skin". it captures everything that a European nobleman of the time would find attractive in one word.

[–] sunflowercowboy 8 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Love your explanation! The mirror from Shrek would definitely say thiccccc.

Leaving this here for modern contextualizing.

So fair skin doesn't specifically mean pale, it means skin that doesn't have defects. Bumps, pimples, scarring and other things will tarnish the complexion of skin.

In this context it's not racial, it's colorism as you explained it was a status thing. Something that exists in almost every culture, not just European.

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[–] brsrklf@jlai.lu 3 points 4 weeks ago

The bear from "The bear and the maiden fair" disagrees.

[–] xylogx@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Why is the perspective in the final frame taken from inside of the jail cell? Are we the viewer also in jail? Shouldn't we be viewing it behind bars from the other side? What did we the viewing audience do? Are we culpable since just by viewing this?

[–] roguetrick@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago

What do you think happens when you sneak into the Queen's bedroom to watch her talking to her mirror.

[–] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

You’re in jail too because you agreed that Snow White is a fine piece of ass

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