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At a rally to commemorate the 1956 Hungarian Uprising, Hungary's Viktor Orban compared the EU to the Soviet Union and criticized the bloc's support for Ukraine in the face of Russia's ongoing invasion.

Hungary's nationalist Prime Minister Viktor Orban on Wednesday likened the European Union to the former Soviet Union and called on Hungarians to "resist" Brussels as they did Moscow in 1956.

Orban, who is closer to Russian President Vladimir Putin than any other European leader, drew the comparison in a speech marking the 1956 Hungarian Uprising against Soviet occupation, which was brutally put down by Russian troops.

Around 3,000 people were killed and 20,000 injured.

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[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 79 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Except Hungary can leave EU any time they wish. So please if you don't want to stay, just get the fuck out Hungary. You won't be missed Orban.

[–] ms_lane@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago (1 children)

No but ah... the free money!

[–] abff08f4813c@j4vcdedmiokf56h3ho4t62mlku.srv.us 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

He doesn't really want to do that though. Much more useful to Putin to stay in and keep trying to throw wrenches into the works and such.

Same reason why Russia tried to join NATO back in the 1950s

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

Wow I didn't even know that Russia tried to become a member of NATO back in 1954.
But now I've read a very cool article describing the history around it:
https://www.military.com/history/russia-once-tried-join-nato-alliance-formed-counter-threats-russia.html

And yes you are right, Hungary is sabotaging EU from within, to benefit Russia.

[–] PortoPeople@lemm.ee 42 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] masterofn001@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

He was installed with the help of an organization called the IDU.

Founded and controlled by former Canadian prime minister, the dishonorable Stephen Harper.

The IDU is globally active with the goal of installing ultra conservative governments and creating a world order of "conservative values".

[–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 month ago

Hungary is no longer listed as a member of the IDU. There appears to be no press release about that change. Whatever the reason, this puts a spotlight on their motives or competence.

[–] Siegfried@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Hungary at this point, they should grow some fucking balls at this time

[–] obinice@lemmy.world 31 points 1 month ago

Okay, so... leave then, if you hate it so much?

Or are you lying and you actually love it, hmm Orby?

[–] nogooduser@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I bet that the EU wishes that they’d added clauses to allow members to be booted out.

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

If they REALLY wanted to they would. Hungary is one of the more eastern countries in Europe. If it leaves it allies with Russia or even joins it potentially. That would throw a serious wrench in the EU's defense structure.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It kinda wouldn’t, though, considering their location.

Not unless Russia fully takes over Ukraine and has a direct line to Hungary, which I’m low key pretty suspicious was part of Putin’s original plan.

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Europe is pretty densely populated and Hungary is bordering a lot of other EU nations. If it allies or joins Russia, then the EU will have what America had with the Cuban missile crisis back in the 60s. Russian arms and forces will be based in Hungary and be able to strike several capitals of nations in the EU within a moments notice. The entire reason Russia needs to take over Ukraine is because they can't allow NATO forces to get so close to their capital as the Ukrainian borders is only a few hundred km away from Moscow. Same logic applies with Hungary.

Yep. Vienna, Bratislava, and Prague are all within a couple hours of Budapest.

[–] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world -2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

What defense structure does EU have besides sanctions?

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 8 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The EU has a mutual defense clause.

Similar to NATO, an attack on any EU nation is an attack on all EU nations.

[–] SeaJ@lemm.ee 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The EU one is actually more strongly worded than the NATO one, if I recall correctly. Basically NATO's standards are to strongly suggest countrues help in whatever way the country thinks necessary but not require it. EU's requires countries to provide support including military support.

[–] ms_lane@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

In writing, but in reality, almost no one in NATO is ready to fight.

Luckily, neither is Russia.

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

We were talking about the EU. NATO was just an example.

[–] ms_lane@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago

The parts of NATO that aren't ready to fight are exclusively in the EU.

EU buddied up to Russia for too long and considered US/UK/Poland's defense buildup bad, now we're all here.

I just hope the next Australian government will take China seriously.

[–] absquatulate@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

called on Hungarians to "resist" Brussels as they did Moscow in 1956.

Imagine saying that while commemorating a Russian invasion, and while being best buddies with Russia who are again invanding another country! How he has not been egged or milkshaked yet is beyond me. Those poor bastards died for nothing, didn't they.

[–] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

At some point EU must admit that they made a mistake letting Orban in. It is ok to mess up, as long as you mend what is broken.

[–] Saleh 7 points 1 month ago

Hungary joined EU in 2004. Orban was in office 1998-2002 and again starting 2010

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 18 points 1 month ago (1 children)

For the people equating Hungary to this, there was another rally 80 metres away filling streets and squares, chanting "Russkies go home".

It was way bigger than this one that Orbán filled up artificially by mandating waterworks workers attend by force.

Orbán's days are numbered. It will not leave the EU, and it will get back on its feet. All it needed was for the EU to stop financing Orbán.

[–] Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

You just restored some of my faith. Thank you :) 🇪🇺🇪🇺🇪🇺

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 month ago

Door's right open buddy. Nothing stopping you. The UK left, so can you.

[–] rustydrd@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 month ago

Don't let the door hit you on the way out!

[–] hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 1 month ago

Dude, you can leave any time. The door is open, we don't need you here.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

Sounds like it's time for a Hexit in that case.

[–] TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee 3 points 1 month ago

The Neo of mental gymnastics.

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