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[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Reuters still pushing Zionist propaganda 6 months in. Sad to see.

We all know israel is the only party rejecting an actual permanent ceasefire.

[–] FlowVoid@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Wars generally end when one side surrenders.

Neither Israel nor Hamas wants to surrender, so there is no reason to expect a "permanent ceasefire".

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

There have been multiple previous wars between Hamas and israel, and other parties like Lebanon, and it usually ends in a ceasefire.

Israel saying they want keep committing Genocide after a 6 week break and then occupy Gaza isn't exactly a great deal.

[–] speaker_hat@lemmy.one 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

This is a lie, Israel doesn't commit genocide.

The IDF mission is to release hostages and take down Hamas.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

There is a pretty clear UN report proving israel is committing Genocide. Did you read it?

[–] speaker_hat@lemmy.one 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

No I didn't, I'd kindly appreciate if you can link this UN report (preferably not from a news agency)

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)
[–] Limonene@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Why does the article call the people held by Israel "prisoners", but the people held by Palestine "hostages"?

[–] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I mean, having a hostage generally implies your intent is to hold that person captive in exchange for a demand being fulfilled, after which point you at least claim that you will release them. Presumably, Israel doesnt intend or claim that it will release those it has imprisoned even if it gets what it wants, so calling them hostages wouldnt really be accurate. One could call the people held by Hamas prisoners too I suppose, since that just implies them to be held against their will, but as they are explicitly being held in order to be used as a bargaining chip, calling them hostages adds more information about the situation than just calling them prisoners too would.

[–] GrymEdm@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

You make sense, and I sort of agree so I won't downvote and just add my bit. The "prisoners" are definitely being used as negotiation leverage in every discussion with Hamas.

[–] SuckMyWang@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I know this goes against the grain of what is being portrayed but a prisoner is also someone who has done something wrong where a hostage is totally innocent

[–] idiomaddict@feddit.de 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

In that case, given that many of the people kept by Israel have never seen the inside of a courtroom, that would be a biased use of “prisoner.”

[–] SuckMyWang@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I agree there would be more innocent people than average in those prisons. I’m not under any illusion there aren’t some really awful people in there too.

[–] idiomaddict@feddit.de 0 points 5 months ago

There definitely are, but that doesn’t mean Israel is justified in locking them away without due process.

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You have got to be kidding me with this nonsense.

[–] Tryptaminev@lemm.ee 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

So what would you call it when people are violently taken form there home by an occupying force, are not charged with or convicted for any crime by a court of law and are not granted access to any legal representation?

Because that is what Israeli "Imprisonment" of Palestinians in the Westbank looks like. Oh and of course the women and children are raped and people are tortured.

https://www.omct.org/en/resources/urgent-interventions/israel-inhuman-and-degrading-treatment-including-sexual-harassment-of-palestinian-women-and-girls-detained-in-neve-tertze-womens-prison-ramle
https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/02/israelopt-un-experts-appalled-reported-human-rights-violations-against
https://www.phr.org.il/en/sexual-gender-based-violence-2024/?pr=17797

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yes Hamas encourages their supporters to make up all sorts of sortid "reports."

[–] idiomaddict@feddit.de 0 points 5 months ago

Oh my GOD! Do you have any evidence for that? That’s wild and completely unacceptable, I would love an unbiased source supporting it.