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[–] nothingcorporate@lemmy.today 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

As The Intercept pointed out this week, this is Israel's 9/11 in that it is a horrific event they didn't see coming, but when you stop to look at the powder keg they created, they absolutely should have.

[–] Something_Complex@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The bigger problem is that they probably knew. They where informed by Egypt intelligence...

If that is true, then they might have let it happen as an excuse to take Gaza in retribution

[–] gummybootpiloot@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Let's not spread conspiracy theories without good sources

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago

US Congressional members with security clearances corroborated this, did they not?

[–] eramseth@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

15 years is a woefully short time frame to look at in a conflict that goes back hundreds if not thousands of years...

[–] PM_ME_FEET_PICS@sh.itjust.works 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This conflict started in the late 40s. Less than 100 years.

[–] eramseth@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I mean I'm not gonna waste my time trying to educate you on this but you're wrong. Go read some books, watch some lectures, listen to some podcasts.

[–] PM_ME_FEET_PICS@sh.itjust.works 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You're a moron who fell for the natural enemies myth. Jews, Christians and Muslims all lived in Palestine peacefully before the Nakba.

[–] SwampYankee@mander.xyz 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Don't call people morons when you're completely ignorant.

In 1576, the Jewish community of Safed faced an expulsion order: 1,000 prosperous families were to be deported to Cyprus, "for the good of the said island", with another 500 the following year. The order was later rescinded due to the realisation of the financial gains of Jewish rental income. In 1586, the Jews of Istanbul agreed to build a fortified khan to provide a refuge for Safed's Jews against "night bandits and armed thieves."

The 17th century saw a steep decline in the Jewish population of Palestine due to the unstable security situation, natural catastrophes, and abandonment of urban areas, which turned Palestine into a remote and desolate part of the Ottoman Empire. The Ottoman central government became feeble and corrupt, and the Jewish community was harassed by local rulers, janissaries, guilds, Bedouins, and bandits. The Jewish community was also caught between feuding local chieftains who extorted and oppressed the Jews. The Jewish communities of the Galilee heavily depended on the changing fortunes of a banking family close to the ruling pashas in Acre. As a result, the Jewish population significantly shrank.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1834_looting_of_Safed

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Hebron

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaffa_riots

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Palestine_riots

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936%E2%80%931939_Arab_revolt_in_Palestine

Edit - Folks, how is it controversial that this conflict extends further into the past than 1948?

[–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

You are not allowed to say something against Palestine on Lemmy. Sometimes not even against Hamas.

Not sure if that's propaganda bots, anti-semitism, or people generally having this biased view.

In Germany Palestinian activists were celebrating Hamas attack on Israelis. And anti-semitic attacks in the public and even schools increased.

[–] praise_idleness@sh.itjust.works 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Israel: Uses Iron dome to protect civilians, counter attacks when attacked

Palestine: We have more victims 😢

This kind of visualization is not aiming to be informative. It's trying to be a propaganda and I genuinely hate that.

[–] deft@ttrpg.network 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

A little more nuanced than that.

Where did Israel come from? Who lived there first? Why was Israel set there and who deemed it all legal?

Imperialism.

People native to the area are shoved aside, money is sent to force those people being shoved aside and nobody is supposed to care they are shoved aside.

I agree chart pushes a narrative but the narrative is not "Palestinians are crybabies about missile strikes"

[–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago

Jews are natives to that area as well. It wasn't just the people who today call themselves Palestines.

[–] YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

On this chart, where is the line showing babies and children beheading?

[–] RepulsiveDog4415@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I always think to myself "No one could possibly believe such blatant propaganda" and then i read comments like these. Why behead them? Why don't you behead the adults? Do you carry a dedicated baby knife for that?

It's not like they'd be innocent without beheading babies... But i guess dehumanizing them like this makes it easier to justify the atrocities that are sure to be commited as a reaction to this.

It kinda makes me wonder how much of the things i assume to be true are the product of propaganda aswell.

[–] mrpants@midwest.social 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

They intentionally slaughtered a massive amount of civilians in a blatant act of terrorism. The people that did this don't believe Jews to be worthy of living. True or not anyone who can believe and do these things isn't too far off from being capable of beheading babies.

[–] RepulsiveDog4415@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

They intentionally slaughtered a massive amount of civilians in a blatant act of terrorism.

Yes they did. So did the israely military in Gaza.

The people that did this don't believe Jews to be worthy of living.

I wonder why. Not saying i agree but i understand their anger and frustration. What growing up in an open air prison does to a mf...

True or not anyone who can believe and do these things isn't too far off from being capable of beheading babies.

What ever helps you justify the indiscriminate violence Israel will be unleashing on the palistinian population. Realisticly there is no way to distinguish between Hamas fighters and civilians. But i guess those are 2nd class civilians anyway, or are Hamas themselves, right?