The codebreaker/casino arc in The Last Jedi
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I have so many complaints about that movie but THIS is number one. The entire thing is a complete waste of time, all set about because Poe got turned into an insubordinate, hotheaded moron. Doesn’t help that Holdo has a perfectly functional plan she won’t share with anyone instead preferring to let them believe they’re all going to die, but frankly the movie is just a series of stupid, terrible decisions in a row from every character and above all, the director.
Can you tell I hate this movie?
The hyperspace collision as a weapon is worldbreaking.
If that works in the Star Wars universe, in A New Hope, why didn't the Rebellion just get large asteroids and attach hyperspace engines to them and aim them at the Death Star. Asteroids traveling at hyperspace speeds, especially hundreds of them would be unstoppable and not a single Rebel life would have been in danger.
Poe got turned into an insubordinate, hotheaded moron.
This made no sense to me. Poe, in the Last Jedi, acts completely different that Poe in the prior movie where he was calm, collected and rational. If they wanted a character to be hotheaded, introduce a new character.
Forget the rebels, why build the death star(s) in the first place?
It's easier, faster, and waaaaay more effective to just send a few dozen small ships throughout the galaxy with an extra hyperdrive or two to be ready to blow up any planet with some space junk. Any time. Any place. No centralized base for the rebels to stop.
Agreed on both points. Poe was done dirty, the Holdo Maneuver is OP af, and the entire movie was designed to show off and put the director’s personal stamp on the franchise more than it was attempting to respect the lore and its audience.
Not to be that guy but I'm still complaining about the silent space scene. The Last Jedi was the 10th movie in the franchise (12th if you count the animated movies and 13th if you count the made for tv Ewok movie) and it was the first time there was no roar of engines, no sounds of weapons fire, the sound effect of jumping to hyperspace didn't even play. Star Wars isn't 2001. It's not set in our universe. In the Star Wars universe sound waves travel through space.
Be that guy! Part of being part of a storied franchise is staying in your lane. TLJ deliberately went out of its way to set itself apart, which is NOT how you’re supposed to do it.
The trilogy would've been much better if either director had done all 3. Either J.J. Abrams with a fun nostalgic return to form, or Rian Johnson with a fresh new take. The whiplash from them fighting with each other over the direction of the plot just ended up being a huge mess. I'm pretty surprised they weren't just told what the plot was going to be, kind of seems like a screwup by whoever handled that.
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Didn't Holdo's plan involve modifying some spaceships so they wouldn't be detected? Wouldn't that involve engineers? Isn't Rose and engineer? Why didn't Rose know what Holdo's plan was? Did Holdo also not tell the engineers her plan? Maybe that's why half the ships got blown up by the First Order immediately.
That whole plotline made no sense and was completely pointless. But basically all of the plotlines were pointless in that movies.
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If I had the chance to make edits to the script, I'd have done the following:
- Replace the animals in the racing with podracers
- Have the hacker guy drop the dreadnought's shields for a moment to permit the Holdo manoeuvre
The podracer stuff is basically just fanservice, but it's very minor and not adding any more distractions than were already there, so I think that's fine
The hacker does have a motivation to ensure the empire doesn't get a clean win. He profits from the war. He wants both sides to struggle. Doing this just as he leaves gives him an actual role beyond betraying Finn and Rose, makes sense for his motivations, and also explains why hyperspeed ramming doesn't usually work in Star Wars
These are good changes. Also I would suggest that they should have switched it to the Leia maneuver instead of Holdo, have her use the force to put Holdo to sleep or something to save her life. If I remember correctly Carrie Fisher had passed away while it was still in post production?
Ahh, I forgot about that. I think they should have just committed to having Kylo Ren kill her. He pulled the trigger, after all, the intent was there.
I liked Holdo as a character. I believe she was meant to come across as overbearing and arrogant because part of her role was to teach Poe that his recklessness was doing as much harm as good. He had to learn to work with other people, and Holdo was the one to show him that. She had to be (initially) unlikeable so that Poe would chafe against her command
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In episode 17, when Commander Taggart is about to escape the neutron field in the omega-13, he used the auxiliary of deck B... But in the next episode, the schematic shows that deck has been totally vaporized. I was just wondering, do you think that's a continuity error, or do you think there's a justifiable reason for it?
The whole last season of GOT.
Just rewarched on a TV in a background and it's so bad. I thought maybe given some time it would clear up a bit as GOT hype died down but it's just awful, can't believe the actors managed to keep a straight face.
You can just watch the Pitch Meeting next time. Shorter and internally consistent.
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Ant-Man
spoiler
The first Ant Man had this rule where any objects that are shrunk will stay as the weight they originally were. Yet Hank Pym carries around a shrunken tank on a keychain! Scandalous!
One can surmise it's actually a life-sized model kit tank made out of cheap plastic, akin to how it works in Ground Defense Force! Mao-Chan.
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In Prometheus at the start.... right until the very end.
"Hey, alien planet we've never been on before. Let's take our helmets off."
"Hey our map guy got LOST inside an underground tunnel and tried to pet an alien snake and now he's infected."
"This medical machine is configured for men. Caesarian mode is on the left."
I call the movie Fuckwits In Space for these and many more reasons.
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Last Jedi:
Leia gives Rey a hand held tracking device and tells her that with it she will be able to find them wherever they go.
In THE SAME SCENE, they come out of Hyperspace followed by the First Order and claim it's impossible to have followed them.
The tracking plot point is not mentioned again.
(p.s. A similar tracker was placed on board the Falcon in the OG Star Wars to lead the Death Star to the rebel base on Yavin 4).
Last Jedi
That's cheating, none of that movie made any sense whatsoever.
The plot point is that you cannot be tracked while in hyperspace. Something the first order was able to do so they could follow them to their destination instead of waiting until they are out of hyperspace to pursue them.Trackers are well established in the universe otherwise. They just only work outside of hyperspace.
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In The Matrix, humans were used as batteries. The energy requirements needed by a body to sustain itself outweigh feeding it to extract energy. It would've been more efficient to burn the food directly instead of feeding it to people.
In the original script, they were used for processing power, but the C-suites made them change it because they feared spectators wouldn't understand.
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Originally it was humans being used for their brains as processing units, but they thought thatd be too confusing for audiences so they went with batteries.
The whole UFO scene in "Life of Brian".
Maybe not for the plot (since it's never referenced or brought up ever again in the film) but I think it does work thematically:
This would be the one real miraculous event in Brian's life. If anything, you would expect that a man who fell from a tower, got picked up by a flaming ball, and returned safely to the ground would be hailed as a holy person by all witnesses.
Instead, nobody gives a fuck and in the next couple of scenes Brian becomes a holy figure through entirely unrelated and mundane means.
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kingsman movie, first one. he did some parkour in the beginning to get away front bullies, then never again.
lessons in chemistry. crazy contraption to feed the dog, then never again anything like it.
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In Memento
Spoiler about Clothing
He just puts on someone else's expensive tailored suit, and it magically re-tailors itself to fit him perfectly.
That's not how fabric or thread works. And it was deeply disorienting in a film that is otherwise careful to ensure that details like that matter and are reasonable.
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Lost. All of it.
Abed:
It's the first season of Lost on DVD.
Pierce:
That's the meaning of Christmas?
Abed:
No. It's a metaphor. It represents lack of pay-off.
[...]
Abed:
I get it. The meaning of Christmas is the idea that Christmas has meaning. And it can be whatever we want. For me, it used to mean being with my mom. Now it means being with you guys. Thanks, Lost.
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The scene in Pulp Fiction where Butch kills Vincent.
I am pretty fucking sure it's actually a dream/imagined scenario by Butch, simply because when it ends, it cuts back to Butch in his car saying "that's how you're gonna beat 'em, Butch. They're just gonna keep underwstimatin' ya" as he pulls up to the apartment. But then, instead of getting to go in and grab his watch as he imagined, he instead runs into Marcellus in the middle of the street, leading to that whole thing with the rapists.
He does end up getting his watch, but after he and Marcellus part ways. Vincent never actually dies.
Except for the fact that Vincent is only there without Jules because Jules quit. And Vincent was in the toilet because he was constipated because he's a heroin addict.
If Jules hadn't quit, Marcellus would not have been there. And Butch wouldn't have known about any of those developments.
Although to back your theory up, Jules would've never left for doughnuts.
There's also a the recurring plot that every time Vicent goes to the bathroom something bad happens.
The ending to Castle. A series that went on for eight seasons, where they were given several warnings about how the actors (who didn't get along) might quit and challenge production, and then it happens, and instead of preparing a proper ending or deciding to recast Beckett, they had the characters win against the mafia, then randomly die because the writers are absolutely obsessed with cliffhangers, then randomly be brought back to life, then randomly turn it into a Wizard of Oz type of ending with kids we've never seen before, all because they stalled writing an ending until the very last moment. As much as people blame Stana Katic for leaving and throwing a wrench into things, you can't say the writers didn't have some kind of hand in how things turned out. Every possible thing that could've fixed the show was voluntarily ignored.
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Claudette:
He’s always bugging me about my house. Fifteen years ago, we agreed, that house belongs to me. Now the value of the house is going up and he’s seeing dollar signs. Everything goes wrong at once. Nobody wants to help me, and I’m dying.
Lisa:
You’re not dying, mom.
Claudette:
I got the results of the test back. I definitely have breast cancer.
Lisa:
Look, don’t worry about it. Everything will be fine. They’re curing lots of people every day.
Claudette:
I’m sure I’ll be alright.
Using The Room is cheating. There are only, like, two scenes in the entire movie that make sense according to the plot.
And also, I would have probably gone with the playing catch (with a football, I think) in tuxedos scene.
In Rock 'n' Roll High School Forever, the scene where they go over to someone's house and pretend to worship their refrigerator doesn't further the plot or character development in any way.
Looper when they're "torturing" the one guy and his body parts are disappearing one after another.
The whole Looper premise doesn't make sense.
Criminals in the future send people back in time to get whacked. If you get an abnormally large payout, that means you whacked your future self and are now retired.
Why have someone kill themselves with a large payoff? Why retire them? If they're retired in the future, why have them killed?
You have present day hitmen, A, B, and C. Future victims, a, b, and c.
A -> a, B -> b, C -> c results in stupid large payouts and retired killers.
A -> b, B -> c, C -> a has normal payoffs and no retirements.
Still doesn't explain why you wanted a, b, and c dead in the first place.
Looper is a great LOOKING movie, those shotguns were on point! Just don't go thinking about it for more than 5 minutes.
Their concept of time travel is definitely unorthodox compared to other time travel movies. One of the main characters literally said not to think too much about it.
Everything else was pretty much explained by the protag.
He did mentioned that his line of work doesn't attract forward thinking people. This is quite realistic, I mean, have you seen how a lot of people (and companies) sacrificed long term benefits for short ter ones? It's also posible that they think they can beat that system.
Their future selves are killed to tie up loose ends. The change in power dynamic with Rainmaker's takeover definitely plays a role. This is actually a common trope in crime dramas (and probably also in real world).
It definitely is not a perfect movie, but it's a damn good one to me. I definitely think Joseph-Gorden Lewitt and Emily Blunt lack chemistry, and the sex scene was forced, but I guess it's somewhat realistic someone living in a farm out of nowhere all by themselves can get so horny...
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