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[–] BubbleMonkey@slrpnk.net 0 points 4 months ago (5 children)

You know I love the idea of cryostasis, and the idea of reanimating people after death is great.

But why the fuck would future humans bother bringing all these people back, even if they could? Even if they have a utopian society free of scarcity and inequality, they would be bringing back mostly rich people who lived in a super different and bad time and have literally nothing positive to contribute to the utopian future, since they were a large part of the problems of today in the first place. Plus the vast majority of them are almost certainly elitist assholes who nobody in a utopia would want to be around.

Maybe it would be a humanitarian thing, but if these people are dead and frozen there’s no real imperative to do this to end suffering or something. Or I guess maybe bringing them back to try and figure out what the hell their damage is that they felt ruining everything was a better option than working toward the betterment of all.. but they’d only need a few brains in vats for that, no bodies, so sucks to suck, cryofolks.

If future humans don’t have a utopian society, the only real use for people from so long ago that I can come up with would be research subjects or slaves. And frankly there are easier ways to go about getting those..

So I see no possible future where people who cryopreserve get brought back en masse. Even if it’s entirely possible to surmount the technical hurdles.

[–] clara@feddit.uk 1 points 4 months ago

why would future humans bother bringing all these people back

i think it's worth reminding why doctors treat people now, in this time and space. they do it mostly because they want to save people. maybe a few do it for money, but past a certain point, the money isn't why you do it. i think it's a safe bet that doctors of a future would see these corpses as patients, and act accordingly. an analogy - think how we see heart attack victims as patients, and not how our medieval ancestors would have seen them (as corpses)

...literally nothing positive to contribute to the utopian future...

true, but, a good chunk of patients in hopsital today have nothing to contribute to society, and cannot contribute any more, whatsoever. we treat them anyway, because that's what we do. humans have consistently cared for others that are sick and have "nothing to contribute" throughout history, and that shows no sign of going away anytime soon

[–] dev_null@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

But why the fuck would future humans bother bringing all these people back, even if they could?

There are many valid issues to raise with this bring unlikely to work, but this point seems silly. Why would a road maintenance worker fix a pothole, he's not from around and will never benefit from it? Because it's his job he's paid to do, and he's not having a philosophical discussion about it. Whatever future lab technician will be just going to work in the morning as well, paid by their company, funded by the money the preserved people paid. There isn't much to it.

But it's interesting you said that future humans would kill these people because the preserved people are useless assholes. I'm not that sure you labeled the assholes right in your scenario. Your future humans seem ageist and elitist, thinking only they deserve to live.

There is at least one example I remember from the news of a 20-something girl with cancer being preserved, paid for by pooling money from the family and donations. Unlikely to work but she would have died anyway. So what did she do wrong that she doesn't deserve to be woken up, in your future where the technology is there?

[–] Umbrias@beehaw.org 1 points 4 months ago

"Why would a society bring people back to life when they [describes why you think they deserve to die]"

Happy to know you're not going to be solely responsible for bringing them back!

[–] SirSamuel@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

To answer the questions of archeologists, obviously

[–] practisevoodoo@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

Ever read Transmetropolitan? It has a whole sub-arc on just the absolute lack of concern that a future society would have for this resurrection obligation/burden imposed on them.

[–] core@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] MonkderDritte@feddit.de 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Humans are particularly difficult to preserve because of the delicate structure in (most of) our heads.

Nonsense. We are just too big to be frozen quickly enough that no ice crystals emerge. Every living thing turns to slush if frozen normally.

[–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Is that what Walt Gisnep is right now?

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Gisnep

Is this a thing I'm not aware of, or just a very strange typo?

[–] the_post_of_tom_joad@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Funny, i know the answer because i just recently ran into that meme. Simple meme about how Walt Disney's trademark signature looks like "Gisnep", . I get the "p" part, and i guess the "D" does looks like a backwards "G".

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Thank you, I knew I must have been missing something. I can see the P, but the G makes no sense to me. Walp Disnep.

[–] idiomaddict@feddit.de 0 points 4 months ago

This is how I write my gs, if that helps

[–] idiomaddict@feddit.de 0 points 4 months ago

It’s pretty similar to a hasty cursive g

[–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)
[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

ωal⅂ Әisnep

... or perhaps ⧢al7?

I'll give you the p, but in which world is that a G?