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[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 147 points 2 weeks ago (41 children)

And this is why the right accuses us of misusing the word fascist. No it wasn't "always" fascist.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

i mean theyve always been openly couping and subjugating the rest of the world. its just been successfull for their own population for most of this time.

as the meme says, its just ran out of space to expand and its now fucking over their own people and allies instead.

what fascists are doing right now in the us is not much different from what they have been doing to south america, africa and east asia for quite some time now.

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[–] kameecoding@lemmy.world 69 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

I think it's stupid to say they have always been fascist, but people definitely don't grasp what fascism is, they think it's people marching in nice grey uniforms on the street and concentration camps out in the open and if you try to call anything that's not that they call you stupid and overreacting

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemm.ee 12 points 1 week ago

"All men are created equal"

is slave state

Always has been

Best not to use to academic language when dealing with those that Academia has failed so thoroughly. Or the ones who already know and don't care cuz they got enough of a kickback from kicking down.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

Would you say it might apply to an openly genocidal state conquering its neighbors?

How about when that state also has up to 30% of its population by region in racial chattel slavery?

How about when the genocide is done and the slavery ended but it still enforces apartheid politics?

How about when it overthrows the government of any neighbor it disagrees with?

Invades other countries and kills millions?

But, hey. It's not technically fascism as long it's white men voting to do that, right? They usually weren't even Italian! It's stupid to call it fascism when it doesn't come from Rome!

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 10 points 2 weeks ago (15 children)

Those are definitely trait you'd expect from fascism, but they are neither necessary nor sufficient to be fascist. Fascism is not just doing a bad thing. It's a very specific set of traits, which the US does not meet —in my opinion and any other informed opinion that I've seen.

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[–] kameecoding@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Doing evil things =/= fascism.

Fascists do evil things, so do others.

I think this is the best video on fascism https://youtu.be/5Luu1Beb8ng?si=Bfyx8qpyz9EbuFQX

I don't disagree that fascism has been part of the US always but it has been everywhere, it never went away, but it really came out with trump whether you think Trump is a fascist or just a useful idiot/ opportunist capitalist is up to debate imo. But his following has a large group of fascists.

They worship trump to an almost religious degree, they use fascist symbolism, they are predominantly white and believe they have a right to rule and be on top just because, they accept minorities and some lgb (not T) people as long as it lets them get into the position of power, then turn on them ( as seen by the many leopardsatemyface posts about gay republicans)

Fascism is a specific political ideology that has some telltale signs not just a collection if evil deeds, what's the point of using words if we bend the definition to whatever we want to say?

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[–] TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee 40 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

Tell me that you don't know what fascism is without telling me you don't know what real fascism.

What the USA has been for a long time is an oligarchy, and there are literal Princeton studies to support it. It's only now that it's following Russia into becoming full-fledged dictatorships.

[–] hamid@vegantheoryclub.org 8 points 1 week ago (3 children)

The Ku Klux Klan is quite literally the genesis of the modern fascist movements

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[–] maynarkh@feddit.nl 39 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

To be honest, it's not even the "they came for you" bit, they are just coming for themselves now. I mean, if the orange idiot succeeds in dismantling NATO and imposing sanctions on US trade, China will def be the new leading superpower.

NATO is what props the dollar up. They are trying to undo the change in foreign relations the US made in WWII, and they will def get back to the pre-WWII US as a result.

[–] Diplomjodler 42 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Including segregation, no rights for women and no labour rights. Basically back to the days off the robber barons. And the morons will still be blaming the libruls as they lie in their bed, unable to afford a hospital while dying from silicosis.

[–] Auzy@beehaw.org 16 points 2 weeks ago

Someone made a good point on YouTube. What does Trump mean by "black jobs"? Aren't they just jobs?

He can't even not be racist at the best of times

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[–] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 1 week ago (6 children)

brain dead take.

Always a racist slave state? sure. A military cult since like 1910? sure. A broken oligarchy? sure.

Fascist? defs heading that way. Not always.

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[–] atro_city@fedia.io 22 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

France going the same direction.

[–] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 18 points 2 weeks ago

Unfortunately much of the world is going in the same direction… really worrying to see. A third great war seems inevitable in our lifetimes

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Are you saying a country built upon colonization, Genocide and slavery has a systemic problem of oppression?

We just need to vote harder for Genocide!

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[–] aliteral@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

We could start by agreeing on the definition of the term. Because 30s fascism is no more, and that is a fact. What constitutes fascism in todays world? As an Argentinian, the USA meddled with my country via dictatorship whthin operation Condor. That amounts to fascism, or at least, a subtype of it. I think Frank Zappa warned us about this...

[–] LANIK2000@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

It's authoritarian tribalism based on nationality. In other words the forced elimination of opposition, because of the belief in one's superiority. And since one's superiority derives from their nationality, it inevitably has to include some traditional values. Any in fighting is just arguing over the meaning of their nationality. I don't understand what people don't understand or how they keep getting it wrong.

[–] ToucheGoodSir@lemy.lol 8 points 1 week ago
[–] exanime@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/ FASH-iz-əm) is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.

As per the wikipedia definition, it does seem the USA has been fascist towards the rest of the world, just not towards its own citizens (overtly) until now...

So if we agree fascism can apply internationally but not domestically (which is not usually how the term is described) then the meme is accurate

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