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If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

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[–] mii@awful.systems 26 points 4 months ago (5 children)

So this is apparently something AI companies now think is smart to advertise with. Don’t know who’d willingly consider this something targeted at them, but here we are.

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 18 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I rewrote the ad so they can lean into their marketing strategy.

Hard book have hard word and make head hurt, AI make book easy! More book read for you. No hard word. This good idea!

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I want to make a zoolander riff but my brain just isn't cooperating, so instead pretend I did (just like these people pretend their product is worth something)

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[–] self@awful.systems 12 points 4 months ago (2 children)

the part of me that sometimes spends an hour just choosing the right words for the couple of paragraphs I’m writing is fucking screaming

there is a screaming noise that comes from me while I write

thanks magibook!

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[–] slopjockey@awful.systems 22 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Two tweets and I can tell you at least 5 substacks he subscribes to

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 12 points 4 months ago (6 children)

PrimalPoly was a sort of semi regular of the old sneerclub, so I can tell you a lot more than that.

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[–] dgerard@awful.systems 19 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (45 children)

Not sure which sub a heartwarming story of Nazis shooting their own dicks off goes under, but: Nina Power of Compact gets called a nazi. Sues for defamation. In discovery, produces extensive facts not just supporting Nazi ideas but calling herself a Nazi. Loses so hard she just declared bankruptcy.

there has been no media coverage of this, but hoo boy does there need to be

EDIT: ohhh it's the fuckin LD50 gallery, straight up NRX. Judgement, PDF

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 13 points 4 months ago (1 children)
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[–] gerikson@awful.systems 18 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Couldn't find the way to turn this into a pithy blog post so just dumping it here:

does anyone else feel that the rationalists want a future of a billion trillion virtual humans, each and every one with an immutable gender bit set?

[–] ebu@awful.systems 20 points 4 months ago (1 children)

it is a little entertaining to hear them do extended pontifications on what society would look like if we had pocket-size AGI, life-extension or immortality tech, total-immersion VR, actually-good brain-computer interfaces, mind uploading, etc. etc. and then turn around and pitch a fit when someone says "okay so imagine if there were a type of person that wasn't a guy or a girl"

[–] mountainriver@awful.systems 11 points 4 months ago (14 children)

Shouldn't they be fans of The Culture? And didn't The Culture have people changing gender for any reason (including curiosity), and it was accepted?

(It was years since I read those books, so I could confuse it with something else.)

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 12 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Shouldn’t they be fans of The Culture?

I always assume that a large part of Rationalism is intellectual masturbatory contrarianism. (Aka contrarianism to make yourself feel smarter and better. See also how important it is for some of them that Sneerclub is a bunch of losers with no accomplisments (We don't even blog!)). So I doubt it.

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[–] sailor_sega_saturn@awful.systems 13 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Case in point, or the exception that proves the rule: Is being a trans woman (or just low-T) +20 IQ?

Warning: This post might be depressing to read for everyone except trans women.

Actual warning: This post and the comments is a particularly bad example of rationalists being red-pilled sexists. Even by rationalist standards. Don't say I didn't warn you.


But yeah this goes way back and is really enmeshed in their worldview. Robin Hanson has been blogging terrible takes about gender for almost 20 years on Overcoming Bias, which Lesswrong split off from.

[–] aio@awful.systems 15 points 4 months ago

don't mention skull sizes for 5 minutes challenge

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[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 12 points 4 months ago

Yeah, in my opinion Slatestarcodex also said something like that, that the idea of Rationalism lead to transphobia. (others read that part as being more anti-transphobia, or with a more positive slant re Rationalism/Scott).

Not a huge surprise if you fetishise math and numbers, and miss the point of seeing like a state.

[–] sc_griffith@awful.systems 18 points 4 months ago (2 children)

the faster training data gets polluted the faster ai companies get fucked. therefore, I propose the deliberate creation of unmarked ai compost piles on reddit and discord: "communities" managed so as to minimize visibility to humans while generating large quantities of shit data

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[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 17 points 4 months ago (2 children)

When my local civilians get drawn into the conflict

^via^ ^Little^ ^Bubby^ ^Child^

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[–] aio@awful.systems 16 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Dan Luu's "A discussion of discussions on AI bias", about techbros trying to gaslight the rest of the world into thinking ML models don't have problems

[–] self@awful.systems 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Another example which doesn't make a good viral news story is my not being able to put my Vietnamese name in the title of my blog and have my blog indexed by Google outside of Vietnamese-language Google — I tried that when I started my blog and it caused my blog to immediately stop showing up in Google searches unless you were in Vietnam. It's just assumed that the default is that people want English language search results and, presumably, someone created a heuristic that would trigger if you have two characters with Vietnamese diacritics on a page that would effectively mark the page as too Asian and therefore not of interest to anyone in the world except in one country.

the entire post is very good, but my brain zeroed in on this as both a perfect example of why search was absolutely fucked even before LLMs (who in fuck deploys a language heuristic that doesn’t take the content of the page into account? who asked for this?) and of the engineering attitudes that feed into LLMs and generative AI having unevaluated biases and defenders that insist those biases can’t be real

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[–] BigMuffin69@awful.systems 16 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (7 children)

Every day I become more convinced that this acct is an elaborate psyop being run by Yann LeCun to discredit doomers. Nobody could be this gullible IRL, right?

[–] sailor_sega_saturn@awful.systems 16 points 4 months ago

Oh my god. The AI chatbots which were designed to mimic human writing are saying stuff exactly like the sci-fi stories I read online. They must be alive.

[–] aio@awful.systems 15 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)
[–] carlitoscohones@awful.systems 11 points 4 months ago

I went to the study, and that's the global market size for all sex toys annually, and just eyeballing another chart, butt plugs might be 10% of that. So butt plugs are around $3 or $4 Billion. On the bright side, unlike AI safety, butt plugs actually serve a function.

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[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 14 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Amazing.

I also remember another time people did the 'let two AI's (no idea what time it was at the time, certainly not an LLM, some other ML technique) talk to each other, but in a actual production setting (E:I was wrong on the setting, see the article for better info->), the Facebook/Meta one (First link I could find on google, didn't read it, just a way to find out more for people who never heard about it). But then it started to produce gibberish/'their own language'. Of course this was also a sign of it 'waking up'.

And I note again that in the LLM experiment, the 'AGI's' are still keeping perfectly fine to the bounds of the experiment, even if they do or do not directly reference the researcher. They still play into the fiction, as talking to the researcher about the other AI is part of the fiction. It would be more interesting if they did something unexpected than regurgitate video game ingame notes.

static dot dot dot emergency dot dot dot shutdown

lol

'multiple realities'

Come on, I have written similar things while roleplaying as an AI. The first is useful when you need a quick break to go to the toilet, and the second is a good excuse because you made a mistake a real fictional AI couldn't make.

E: also funny that they worry about the shoggoth behind the friendly face and then get freaked out when the AI's talk in normal science fiction fluff to each other, and it doesn't become incoherently weird. (like the example above).

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 12 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

I’ve sat and had beer with someone (who’s worked in the space but not LLMs) who read the Bitter Lesson and got real into the idea of humans “just being universal function approximators” and had wholesale bought into the idea that we should throw everything we possibly can into this shit, no resource cost or requirement is too high or too uncertain, that it would definitely be the right thing to so

so I can tell you without no uncertainty that there are definitely people who buy into it

I poked the conversation gently, to see how far the conviction went. it was pretty comprehensively bought-in. was a somewhat surprising experience tbh

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[–] rook@awful.systems 15 points 4 months ago

https://matduggan.com/a-eulogy-for-devops/

Possibly interesting blog post about what the idea of “devops” promised, and how it failed to deliver. With any luck, the “getting back to basics” thing will actually happen, instead of people imagining they are google and building nightmares out of kubernetes.

[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 15 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (4 children)

Off Topic: Politcs

spoiler

Best of luck to our folks in the UK, enjoy the Tory tears!

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[–] dgerard@awful.systems 14 points 4 months ago (8 children)

me talking to someone after describing a dumb and horrible LW thing:

i feel like i'm describing a livejournal fanfic cult, which i guess i am

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 4 months ago (1 children)

one of the worse things about LW is that even just explaining their beliefs to uninvolved people makes you look like a complete weirdo

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[–] ibt3321@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Aaaand, there it is.

I remember I used to watch this guy's videos, and the icon for the image viewer in serenity was pepe the frog. And he also admitted to browsing 4chan. And he changed his twitter link to x.com before even twitter changed it. Also it was kinda weird that he had some private discord channels whose contents he was very secretive of. Now that he's making a nonprofit with github's former CEO, there is absolutely zero barriers to the exact same bullshit from all the companies he complains about.

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[–] swlabr@awful.systems 14 points 4 months ago (5 children)

Personally haven’t seen a headline about Ol’ Billy Boy ever since word got around that he was a diamond medallion member of the lolita express airlines. William Gatorade thinks AI’s got what climate craves, i.e. waste heat.

[–] mountainriver@awful.systems 13 points 4 months ago (8 children)

Gates also mentioned that AI will be a good force in providing better health care and tackling climate change, in particular by calling nuclear fusion energy a clean alternative to fossil fuels.

Ah yes, fusion. With the wealth of data we have from - checks notes - stars and bombs, the applied statistics machines will surely be able to extrapolate working fusion reactors.

Don't know what we need Gates for. Surely an AI should be able to spout this bullshit?

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[–] sc_griffith@awful.systems 13 points 4 months ago (5 children)

I'm so sick of "if only we had more humanities in education the elites wouldn't be fucking up the world." that has nothing to do with reality, it never has, it never will

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 4 months ago (2 children)

i thought it was a part of prevention of future engineer disease cases

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[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 13 points 4 months ago (3 children)
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[–] dgerard@awful.systems 13 points 4 months ago (5 children)

we finally posted Diz's LLM logic puzzle post to Pivot to AI! Let's see if this draws flocks of excited new users to awful.systems ... we're doing Ray Kurzweil tomorrow, lol.

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[–] BigMuffin69@awful.systems 13 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (6 children)

Dan Hendrycks wants us all to know it's imperative his AI kill switch bill is passed- after all, the cosmos are at stake here!

https://xcancel.com/DrTechlash/status/1805448100712267960#m

Super weird that despite receiving 20 million dollars in funding from SBF & co. and not being able to shut the fuck up about 10^^^10 future human lives the moment he goes on a podcast, Danny boy insists that any allegations that he is lobbying on behalf of the EAs are simply preposterous.

Now please hand over your gpus uwu, it’s for your safety 🤗 we don’t allow people to have fissile material, so why would we allow them to multiply matrices?

[–] sailor_sega_saturn@awful.systems 13 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Tired: The earth is doomed due to climate change :(

Wired: Ignore that stuff; the cosmos are at stake unless we burn our planet generating bad AI generated "poetry"

Inspired: Oh wait oh no, Oh no. this is where Vogon Poetry came from isn't it? Burn it all down.

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[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (4 children)

never really seen ludicity blog before, now that i read up ten posts on so in a single sitting i lowkey want to fuck off to live in a cabin in the woods

the sheer wastefulness of it all, bubbleness of its economics, piling technical debt, institutional stupidity, and the man also feels off in a way that i can't put my finger on (maybe just by association)

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[–] dgerard@awful.systems 12 points 4 months ago (10 children)
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[–] FRACTRANS@awful.systems 11 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I’d sure love to “gamify” my health for $10 a month 🥴

[–] sailor_sega_saturn@awful.systems 18 points 4 months ago (1 children)

When I eventually shuffle off this mortal coil (not any time soon don't worry!) I'll do so with a cell-phone in my hand, open to whatever god-forsaken replacement for the American healthcare system Silicon Valley dreams up.

My family would find me lying there unconscious. The animated corporate mascot, looking slightly uncertain but still happy, would just repeat in a sing-song cartoonish voice "You might want to check your blood pressure!" and "you still haven't completed today's tasks for Health+ points! But don't worry, there's still time!"

Eventually they manage to shut Healthy Bob up; but continue to receive birthday reminders from Pinstagrambook long after my passing, with no setting to turn it off.

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