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[–] MyTurtleSwimsUpsideDown@fedia.io 221 points 6 days ago (11 children)

It’s not because they’re LED. It’s because they’re aftermarket: illegally colored, and poorly aimed or not aimed at all.

[–] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 71 points 6 days ago (1 children)

1000% this. Aftermarket, fucked colors, and/or no alignment is the cause of the problems. I would add that a lot of aftermarket lights are also way too bright. Sure, the owner can see (a tiny bit) better but everyone else gets blinded. Even then, it's not bad unless they're not aligned properly. (Well, it'll still blind you if it's a truck directly behind you but that's just trucks.)

[–] spicytuna62@lemmy.world 37 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

I own a '97 Honda. The last owner had LEDs in it. The lenses weren't designed for LEDs, they were designed for halogens. So one of the first things I did was revert the headlights to halogen bulbs. And they work perfectly fine. I drive in a suburb so the streets are already fairly well lit. I don't need to cast a beam 5 miles out to see where I'm going.

Also, it's that soft yellowish white light. Not that harsh daylight bluish light everyone and their mom is obsessed with. I don't get it. Anyway, the best thing you can do in 99 times of 100 is to consider what equipment you have and stick to OEM spec.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 11 points 6 days ago

Anyway, the best thing you can do in 99 times of 100 is to consider what equipment you have and stick to OEM spec.

Or if you do legitimately want to upgrade, consider swapping in something that was OEM spec on a higher trim level/fancier related car model (e.g. Acura stuff on your Honda).

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[–] Grumbles@lemmy.world 60 points 6 days ago (2 children)

This isn't always correct. I have a 2021 Toyota and the lights are factory installed and way too bright. I've had the lights lowered by a mechanic, but I still blind oncoming traffic and frequently get people flashing their brights at me. I feel terrible, I don't want to blind anyone. I had someone yelling at me about my aftermarket lights and I had to tell them they were factory, he was still mad at me. It drives me crazy, I hate these lights too! Replacements are over $1,000.

[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 13 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Thanks for sharing this. I'll try to remember there are at least a few people out there like this when my blood pressure starts to rise, and I wish painful deaths upon the presumed assholes blinding me on my way home from working for 14h straight.

Emissions checks need to have strict headlight inspections and tight regulations on aim and intensity. Permits should be required for all these additional spots and bars that truck owners love to slap on too. It's too far out of control.

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[–] aport@programming.dev 52 points 6 days ago (5 children)

Bullshit, Tesla headlamps blind everyone else on the road straight from the factory.

[–] Vivendi@lemmy.zip 23 points 6 days ago

"tesla" and "build quality" do not match, even before the cyberstuck

[–] Isoprenoid@programming.dev 10 points 6 days ago

Yeah, he already covered "poorly aimed or not aimed at all."

[–] helenslunch@feddit.nl 6 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Yes, my Tesla came from the factory with the headlights pointed at the sky. Was getting flashed all over the place. Fortunately they have an easy GUI in the MCU to aim them. But I'm sure many drivers are not smart enough to figure that out or even realize it's possible.

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[–] lol_idk@lemmy.ml 21 points 6 days ago (1 children)

And are 5 feet off the ground because of your stupid truck

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[–] Trev625@lemm.ee 12 points 5 days ago (5 children)

Every car that blinds me is some extremely new 2020-2024 year car. I get blinded by every third car on the road. The amount of people that get aftermarket headlights installed is very much not a third of all car owners. I can get behind poorly aimed by the dealer but you are wildly overestimating the number of people who have aftermarket lights.

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[–] ironhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 13 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Often this is the case, but there's also a not insignificant number of times I'm convinced a car with shitty aftermarket bulbs ends up being a new Acura, infinity, or Mercedes when I get close enough to determine the make.

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[–] Rob@lemmy.world 107 points 6 days ago (9 children)

In Europe, this is hardly a problem. I’ve recently been on the road more in the US, and it sucks. But I think it’s more so due to cars being ridiculously big and their lamps being way off the ground.

[–] rzlatic@lemmy.ml 48 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (4 children)

it is a problem in europe too. all new german SUVs, and many others, have front beams around the height of others drivers eyes so they blare right into internal rearview mirror, car is lit like ufo is here to take us, and when meeting those cars coming from opposite direction, it's again at the height of eyes to burn the retinas. the regulation of headlights is obviously fucked.

[–] repungnant_canary@lemmy.world 19 points 6 days ago

Headlights definitely need more regulation but this issue is very amplified in SUVs which are much underregulated. They have mismatched bumper heights to other cars causing more damage, they drag pedestrians underneath causing more injuries. I personally see no point for modern SUVs existing at all, but let's at least make sure they are safe on roads.

[–] SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 6 days ago (3 children)

When an SUV with floodlight headlights is tailgating me, I ask the passenger to use the rearview mirror to reflect their light back into the eyes of the driver. When that fails, we flash them a few times with one of those stupid 5k lumen mega-flashlights. They always seem to back off.

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[–] Tja@programming.dev 15 points 5 days ago

Thanks for this clarification. I was wondering about this meme, I have never had a problem with headlights here in Germany. It's the first thing they check at TÜV. Wrong headlight setting, inspection failure. But getting your car inspected probably will trigger some freedumb people over there.

[–] helenslunch@feddit.nl 13 points 5 days ago (6 children)

Probably because Europeans have largely solved this problem with laser/Matrix headlights that can identify oncoming traffic and turn off only the lights that are specifically pointed at that vehicle, but these are illegal in the US.

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[–] mightyfoolish@lemmy.world 11 points 6 days ago (1 children)

From what I hear, people who modify their vehicle by lifting it higher with bigger wheels are suppose to recalibrate their headlights (point the headlights toward the ground).

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[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 43 points 5 days ago (3 children)

With halfway decent power stabilization, and the appropriate about of directionality in the lights, plus the lights being somewhere below the typical sedans window frame, the only time headlights should bother you, is when you're on a hill, regardless if they're LED or not.

IMO, one of two things is very wrong if you're getting blinded by anyone's headlights (highbeams not withstanding): either the designers and engineers that worked on the car are idiots, and placed headlights in a location that was going to blind people, or they used crap optics, etc.... Or, the owner of the car can't be arsed to have their headlights properly adjusted.

Honestly, it's a little of A and a little of B... Depending on the car and the circumstance.

One the person I knew actually had self adjusting headlights, which somehow were damaged and would not adjust properly anymore. They drove around like that for years before retiring the vehicle.

Can't fix stupid.

[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 19 points 5 days ago (11 children)

LEDs legally have to be self-adjustable at least in EU. Your mandatory inspection will usually catch it if that system doesn't work.

The bigger problem is people throwing LEDs in halogen housings. It's not the LED's fault. The other big problem in the US at least I reckon, is having vehicles that are way too tall, so their headlights, while hopefully dipped properly, are above a normal driver's eye level.

[–] x00za@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 5 days ago

I live in Europe and it's literally new stock cars that blind me.

[–] setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

It's not uncommon to see massive trucks with insanely bright LED lights (a certain personality type), which puts the lights just about windshield level on a sedan.

What's extra fun is now the lights also blind drivers going the same direction as the truck, as every mirror in the sedan is filled with light.

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[–] RazTheCat@lemmy.world 24 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The new trucks in America are all blinding because of how high off the ground they are and the ridiculous number of lumens. It's like manufacturers just want bigger number, bigger number = better, lol.

I can't prove it, but I suspect that a lot of people are suffering from having backlit phone, console, and cluster LCD panels in their face while driving. The dim incandescent glow of the speedometer as the only thing illuminating the cabin is a thing of the past. This makes me think that folks actually need more lumens on the road in front of you because your pupils are not at all dilated for the dark.

Meanwhile the color temperature and spectra of LEDs vs halogen lights could not be more different. I honestly think our eyeballs respond to to these things differently and it just so happened that halogen is/was easier on our eyes in a lot of cases.

BTW, I'm not excusing anyone for blinding other drivers where it can be helped, especially manufacturers. That shit drives me up the wall.

[–] barsquid@lemmy.world 81 points 6 days ago (3 children)

We need regulations. It is dangerous to operate a vehicle if oncoming traffic makes it that difficult to see anything in your own lane.

[–] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 27 points 6 days ago (3 children)

The problem isn't LEDs though. The technology isn't what's making it bright.

The regulation needs to be specific about what they want the end result to be, not about the specific technology used.

Like: there should be a mode of operation where oncoming traffic at x distance, seated at y height, on level roads should not experience more than z brightness.

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[–] lnxtx@feddit.nl 13 points 6 days ago (3 children)

In the Europe we have the regulations, it still sucks. Especially OEM "active-matrix" LEDs.

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[–] OpenStars@discuss.online 10 points 6 days ago (7 children)

If we won't regulate guns despite school shootings, what hope is there to regulate cars? (Unless someone rich can get a cut?) Apparently someone else's freedumb to do dangerous things is my own freedom to stfu:-(.

All Praise and Honor be to our glorious Electoral College, may it forever prevent us from making dumb decisions such as "preventing needless deaths".

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[–] mlg@lemmy.world 17 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Congress could easily pass a lazy maximum brightness law but we're too busy stalling a mostly approved daylight savings law because some asshat party leader(s) is waiting to slap 200 riders onto it like another morbillion dollars of tax money to Israel.

It's so bad people put here are getting illegal windshield tint just to reduce the insane glare.

Of course a real solution would be a proper regulation with tickets for anyone running incorrectly adjusted headlights or anything that is basically acting as a high beam.

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[–] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 41 points 6 days ago (1 children)

If it wasn't him it just would've been someone else

[–] Venator@lemmy.nz 30 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Not to mention HIDs can be just as bright... Which was first introduced on the 1992 BMW 7 series...

[–] MeatsOfRage@lemmy.world 16 points 6 days ago (2 children)

So what you're saying is we need to go back and hunt down Richard BMW

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[–] ThermonuclearCactus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I drove past a car that had its headlights flickering about 15 times every second last year. No clue if it was intentional but it was distracting as all hell. (and probably dangerous to epileptic people)

[–] SirHamlin@lemmy.world 16 points 5 days ago (1 children)

This is typically someone who installed LED lights in a car that was designed for incandescent most DRLs run at a lower voltage than when the actual headlights are turned on. So when you run lower voltage to run those daytime running lights when using an LED bulb instead of filament that wasn't meant to be dimmable they Flickr or flash.

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[–] SankaraStone@lemmy.world 11 points 5 days ago (3 children)

It's mostly the color of the light that's the problem right? Our brains register the cooler light in the contrasting darkness as blindingly bright as opposed to warmer incandescent light, despite both lights having the same measured brightness (lumens).

[–] Kratzkopf@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 5 days ago

I do not think so, the LED lights are just really bright. The human eye is most sensitive to green light. And according to the following graph similarly much to reddish and bluish tones (maybe even more sensitive to the yellow stuff rather than blue) https://www.researchgate.net/figure/The-eye-sensitivity-function-7_fig17_343319896

Supposedly car manufacturers even brag about their stupid bright lights, so I do think they put effort into making their lights more and more bright, even if they try containing the beams to the street. I couldn't find Mercedes' original ad to this picture though: https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/2556223

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago

That's easy enough to fix with a filter over the bulb. But, again, it would require some degree of regulatory action for the benefit of all drivers rather than a captive agency that only works to maximize corporate profits.

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[–] Smoogs@lemmy.world 14 points 5 days ago

I’d say this ‘chat’ should go to GM and their stupid ideas to point fucking headlights straight into the mirrors of cars ahead of them. Only one of the few hazards they cause on the road today.

[–] Fox@pawb.social 12 points 6 days ago (1 children)

There was nothing wrong with the halogen and I'll die on that hill. Ever since they abandoned it, it's been an arms race, and the aftermarket drop-ins are the worst offenders. I've resigned myself to never seeing anything on the highway shoulder because of the intensity of oncoming traffic's headlights.

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 13 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I like LEDs over halogens because they're more energy efficient. I just wish they'd said "Cool, we can use fewer watts for the same number of lumens" instead of "Cool, we can get more lumens out of the same number of watts"

[–] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 6 days ago (6 children)

I’ve never had a LED headlight go out. I’ve had many halogen lights go out.

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[–] limelight79@lemm.ee 4 points 5 days ago

Man I want to put LED bulbs in my 1999 model year car, but I don't want to start blinding people. The last thing I want is for someone to hit me because they were blinded. It seems many LEDs do intend to have similar beam patterns to halogen bulbs, but I'm not sure how well they actually do.

Our 2020 Mazda has LED headlights, and I gotta admit, they are much better for seeing. We live off the beaten path, not a ton of traffic, but plenty of deer and other animals.

On the other hand, my headlights in the 1999 had gotten really hazy, and I recently did one of those headlight restoration kits to it, and it worked stunningly well. Since then, I haven't driven at night very much to get a feel for how much it helped. So maybe I won't need LEDs. (The halogens in there are relatively new.)

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