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[–] Nougat@fedia.io 45 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's just "Ukraine." The Ukraine is what the Soviets called it.

[–] surge_1@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

There's no "the" in either Ukrainian or Russian. It was more of an "in" vs "on" argument in the Slavic languages.

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Regardless, in English, "The Ukraine" refers to the time of Soviet/Russian possession, while "Ukraine" recognizes Ukraine's national sovereignty.

[–] surge_1@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

I'm quite aware, just wanted to give some additional commentary considering the Soviets never literally called it that. This is an English distinction (for which Ukraine did ask after independence)

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

I know they don't work against nlaws and such, but do they work against the smaller drones that have become so prevalent?

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago

Yeah. Russian vehicles with cages or sheds sometimes take several hits to cook off. I assume soldiers wouldn't post many videos of failed strikes so it's hard to know exactly how effective they are overall, but detonating an explosive away from the vehicle's armor is broadly very good.

[–] Delta_V@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

I've read that a shaped charge's armor piercing jet of plasma has a fairly long reach. A direct hit with the plasma spear directed toward the center of the vehicle would probably still pierce the vehicle. However, a cage like that might provide protection from a glancing blow, where the plasma jet is not directed toward the center of mass - like, instead of getting a hole through the corner of the roof, the jet misses entirely.

[–] nuke@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It works against the shit Russia uses

[–] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 months ago

I think these are for the smaller kamikaze fpv drones used by both sides.

[–] atro_city@fedia.io 4 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Are those Ukrainian or Russian vehicles? And why is there a cage around it?

[–] ladicius@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago

Keeps damage down from drone attacks as they don't get through to pierce the vehicle itself.

[–] nuke@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That's an American HMMWV in use by Ukraine.

[–] MaggiWuerze 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Huh, never knew Humvee was a pronounced acronym

[–] glitchdx@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

all acronyms are pronounceable. If you spell it out, that's an initialism.

[–] d00ery@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] nuke@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago

Hope*

Russia has cope cages. Ukraine has hope cages.

[–] Notyou@sopuli.xyz -1 points 2 months ago

Guessing to help harden it against sharpnel.