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submitted 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) by spujb@lemmy.cafe to c/politicalmemes@lemmy.world
 

no one fucking told me about states banning RCV during all that yapping on here about how i should VOTE THIRD PARTY OR ELSE IM COMPLICIT in the DNCs CRIMES

it may or may not be joever, very blackpilled at this moment

edit it’s actually 10 states. 5 in the past two months.

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[–] bloodfart@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

hey, you can vote for a third party that represents your ideals and politics and it's not throwing your vote away or voting for trump.

you don't have to feel blackpilled, the way out of this is past the winners of this next election, not through them.

[–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

This. Sounds like much but people need to take the L, and create a wedge big enough that neither side can stop noticing anymore

[–] ilost7489@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's a system designed to keep the 2 parties in power. Voting third party means your vote is effectively wasted in a FPTP system

[–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If enough people do it over time I wouldn't think so right?

Each time they would win over and over more seats.

But of course that would require voters to recognize the situation, take the L and keep on continuing voting the third party

[–] ilost7489@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

In FPTP, not really because voting third party can split the vote between multiple parties meaning that none of them get a relative majority of votes and their common opponent wins instead. The system encourages you to vote for the next closes party that is the most likely to get more votes (strategic voting). It entirely favours a 2 party dynamic

This is a good video explanation that you may have seen before as it is popular

[–] PeggyLouBaldwin@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

that video illustrates the problem with strategic voting: it consolidates parties. the lesson you sohuld learn from it is that strategic voting is actually voting against your own interest.

[–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago

This. Thinking that strategic way got them into this mess in the first place

[–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago

But that's the point of a new party, to split the votes. In the end you need to create a wedge big enough that neither side can ignore

But again, that takes way too much from people. They need to take the L a few times before actually pulling something worthwhile

[–] Cosmos7349@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

States have banned ranked choice voting??? wtf why???

[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Can you guess which party that holds a tenuous grasp over their constituents via fear would not want them having the option of voting for other people that might more closely align with their ideals and morals?

I mean, technically it's both parties at this point, but Republicans know that RCV will be the absolute death of the current version of their party which has devolved into little more than a reactionary ultranationalist faction.

[–] hannes3120@feddit.de 0 points 2 months ago

If you can rank your votes and have multiple options available you actually have to stand for something in order for people to vote for you.

Being against another party is not enough in such a system since there are more options available.

[–] CaptainSpaceman@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Union busting

Rolling back regulations

The list goes on....

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Those things are evil but I don't see how they're anti-democratic.

[–] Successful_Try543@feddit.de 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Union busting undermines the democratic co-determination in the company. However, for an American it is probably shocking that this does exist at all (at least in civilized countries). 😉

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

What is “anti-electoral disinformation”

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

“don’t vote because it makes you complicit in your oppression” and similar

[–] PeggyLouBaldwin@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

that's true though. do you have any examples that are actually misinformation?

[–] Enkrod@feddit.de 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Can you explain to me how voting makes one complicit? And how not voting doesn't make one complicit when the worse of two evils is elected?

[–] PeggyLouBaldwin@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Can you explain to me how voting makes one complicit? And how not voting doesn’t make one complicit when the worse of two evils is elected?

if you vote to put someone in power, you are complicit in their actions in office. if you don't vote for that person, you can't be complicit.

[–] Enkrod@feddit.de 0 points 2 months ago

Hmmm, no, that's at least not how I think and feel about it. It's akin to the Trolley Problem for me, where, if my inaction kills/negatively impacts more people than my action, I am morally obligated to take action.