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Seriously, we need the less carbon-emitting plants to replace the dirty coal ones, not come online just to power the AI hype :smh:
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If/when the ai hype train crashes, it would already be online and therefore a good argument can be made to redirect the power to the grid instead of the then-defunct project
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Maybe true. But if we have increased energy demand it might as well be nuclear.
Halting ai development might be nice according to many people, but we cant make that happen. Fraud alone is magnitudes more rampant. Its here to stay and we have to deal with it. I think this is a big win.
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AI better cure cancer if we're using this much energy on it.
The development of ACP_196 did use AI for huge portions of the raw sequencing and simulation, for what thats worth...
for what that is worth
A lot if you ask me. Unfortunately this will mostly be LLMs and image generators using this power probably.
and user activity analyzer and recommendation systems, when looking at copilot
If you hate nuclear energy because you think it's dangerous or polluting, that is as dumb as choosing to drive instead of taking the train for the same reasons.
Nuclear energy is one of the methods of generating electricity with the smallest environmental impact and also much, much safer than the alternatives. The number of nuclear accidents can be counted on one hand, while the number of people who have died from cancer from coal power plants is conservatively estimated to be in the millions.
Nuclear has its advantages, but there is hardly anything as cheap and maintenance free as solar+batteries. Anyone can set it up, and it just runs all by itself for years and years.
In Europe, the price for electricity on the spot market regularly goes in the negative. Jep, you can get paid money to consume electricity because it's so abundant.
Look at France, their new NPP is taking 12 years and 12 billion euros more than planned. Is it really worth all that financial and environmental risk building something poisonous and explodey that needs constant attention?
- Not poisonous.
- Not explodey. Chernobyl destroyed all common sense and support for nuclear power, even though it was mostly terrible terrible management and horrible corrupt (Soviet) government that caused it. Nuclear reactors can't explode like Chernobyl unless someone purposely flips all the switches to red, does manual overrides aand it was specifically built to ignore all logical safety concerns.
The number of kille people by coal is orders of magnitude higher over the same period (lets say 60 years) per GW generated.
Any other arguments?
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Batteries scale horribly and are extremely toxic themselves.
SOME parts of Europe are cheap some are expensive and are subject to bad price spikes.
The reality is we need everything. More solar/wind is great! But we also need secure stable baseline generation that works. Nothing comes close to nuclear.
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bro just one more ~~lane~~ power plant bro, bro I swear just one more and it'll fix the ~~traffic~~ energy demands bro
Let's save money and have AI control the Nuclear Power Plant, see what happens >:]
That’s an episode of the original Star Trek.
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