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Edit: NOTE, I am the receiver of the texts.

So many people asking me to have my wife do something different on her end.

Beloved, she is on iPhone because she doesn't want to do anything "weird." She is texting from her phone number using her texting app. That's what's going to happen.

Now, why can't I get iMessage on my android phone? If it's just a messenger app why not make it available for Android?

I'd use it.

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[–] Zak@lemmy.world 118 points 2 months ago (1 children)

SMS/MMS has really low file size limits, and iPhones may downscale a little more aggressively than required.

Just pick an internet based messaging service. I like Signal, but they all work.

[–] AlternateRoute@lemmy.ca 46 points 2 months ago (4 children)

The next version of iOS should add support for RCS which should allow for cross platform larger images as well.

[–] JoeyHarrington@lemmy.ca 41 points 2 months ago (2 children)
[–] AlternateRoute@lemmy.ca 34 points 2 months ago (2 children)

To be far, apple has had iMessage since 2011 and no one cared about RCS until it was adopted on Android in 2019.

[–] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world 21 points 2 months ago (1 children)

To be additionally fair, Android still has phones out there in use that still dont have the RCS feature, and never will because those phones are no longer supported.

[–] semperverus@lemmy.world 18 points 2 months ago (2 children)

The same is true of iPhones

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[–] curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Because imessage is proprietary and apple is against it being publicly available and a standard.

[–] Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

(So are Google’s extensions to RCS)

[–] curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Yes but it wasn't marketed that way. Which is why there is more interest.

Apple has been blatantly obvious that they want it to remain proprietary and exclusively on their hardware.

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[–] Zak@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago (2 children)

RCS from what I can tell still has some significant limitations, like the version common on Android having some Google proprietary extensions it's not clear if other vendors will fully support. I'd still recommend something like Signal to most people, though RCS improves the experience for those not using that.

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[–] ninjaturtle@lemmy.today 81 points 2 months ago (5 children)

Its due to compression of the video in order to fit on a MMS message, which is very small. Android uses RCS as a new message standard that can send bigger files but Apple has yet to add it to their OS. Its similar to how Apple uses iMessage to do the same, however this is not a standard and is locked to only apple devices.

Apple is supposedly adding support for RCS during the new iOS update but until then you can use a different messaging app to send better/larger files.

I recommend Signal as it is easy to sign up and start using while also being private.

[–] AlecSadler@sh.itjust.works 26 points 2 months ago

+1 for Signal. I converted everyone in my friends and family circle to it ..except one person, but I just ignore their texts.

[–] ryannathans@aussie.zone 18 points 2 months ago (1 children)

+1 signal fills the gap perfectly

[–] LesserAbe@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I like and use signal, but of course the problem is convincing someone else to start using it in order to send you a message.

[–] Zak@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'd hope that's not terribly hard when the people in question are married to each other.

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[–] Zak@lemmy.world 64 points 2 months ago

So many people asking me to have my wife do something different on her end. Beloved, she is on iPhone because she doesn’t want to do anything β€œweird.”

Assuming using a third-party messaging app is "weird", then she can't send you video with acceptable quality. That's how it is.

She can't fix that. You can't fix that. None of the readers here can fix that unless they work at Apple. This may improve in the future when Apple adopts RCS, but there's a lot that real-world implementations of RCS do that isn't in the standard, so the full details of interoperability are uncertain until we see it in the wild.

Now, why can’t I get iMessage on my android phone?

Because Apple doesn't want you to. Apple wants situations like this one to pressure people to buy iPhones because that's apparently easier for some people than agreeing on a messaging app.

[–] Canadian_Cabinet@lemmy.ca 52 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Anything over MMS gets compressed insane amounts.

[–] proudblond@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I have an iPhone and whenever my Android-owning friend sends me something, it’s a tiny thumbnail of a photo. So yeah, goes both ways.

[–] CrimeDad@lemmy.crimedad.work 11 points 2 months ago

The trick is to send a link to the photo or video instead of the actual file. This is also how iPhone users can use FaceTime with people on other platforms.

[–] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That wouldn't be an issue today if Apple had started supporting RCS, the replacement for the old SMS/MMS system years ago like every Android phone. Instead of trying to strangle it by acting like iMessage on iOS was the only solution.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 2 months ago (6 children)

RCS has been around since 2008 and got Universal Profile specifications in 2016.

It took Google until 2019 to get RCS out, and they include proprietary Google extensions that may or may not be supported by other providers, further complicating rollout of RCS.

They're genuinely not somehow way better in this regard.

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[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 42 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (5 children)

It's because Apple has refused to adopt new messaging standards like RCS (not that Google is doing that much of a better job), but it's purposefully broken interoperability to force people into buying into product ecosystems (iPhone vs. Android) to make you stick with one and get stuck on it.

It's stupid anti-competitive and I freakin' hate it.

Literally doesn't have to be this way, it's a choice (mostly by Apple, but once again doesn't mean Google is better).


https://www.theverge.com/2024/6/15/24178470/apple-rcs-support-wwdc-announcement-android-imessage

Apple was largely forced to support RCS in response to the mounting pressure from global regulators and competing companies. That may help explain the somewhat disgruntled approach to announcing its rollout in iOS 18.


https://www.tomsguide.com/how-to-switch-on-rcs-messaging-in-ios-18

Here's a walkthrough to ensure RCS is enabled on your wife's iPhone, once iOS 18 drops in the next month or so.

[–] Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)

A lot of RCS is using Google Jibe, it’s one of the ways they were able to roll it out so fast not necessarily with carrier support. I can’t fault them too much for not immediately embracing it. Based on the Toms Hardware link it looks like they are depending on carrier hubs. For me that means I may not get support for a long time as an MVNO user.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 2 months ago (3 children)

The Google proprietary extensions in their implementation of RCS is honestly pretty crappy imho as well. Neither of these companies are "good guys" in terms of RCS standards.

[–] Tolookah@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Ah, so Google is taking the Microsoft approach to embrace and extend, but don't share. Gross.

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[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That's why I'm kinda hoping Apple would adopt standard RCS and then the ball's on Google for not cooperating.

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Don't forget to add in the primary reason they don't want to implement it is exactly because of comment's like OPs, because it makes it look like Android phones are the problem. Most people assume that it's because it's an android it doesn't work right, and so everyone should just have iPhones. Why fix what is already great marketing for them, even if it is a complete lie?

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[–] Roopappy@lemmy.ml 37 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The real reason: Apple intentionally doesn't support the open protocols that send pics and videos to non-Apple devices. These protocols are a decade old and work great. They use a proprietary protocol instead, which they will not share with other phone manufacturers.

What the average iPhone user thinks: Apple is better than Android!

It's pretty dumb.

[–] smackjack@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago (2 children)

The thing is, Apple phones do support these things, but only if they change the default messenger app, and most Apple users won't do that. IPhone users are worse than Windows users when It comes to changing their default apps.

[–] Roopappy@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 months ago

Unless I did a really poor job researching it, you cannot change your default SMS/MMS application on an iPhone.

You can use other messaging apps like Signal, Whatsapp, Telegram, or AIM. But if you want to use SMS, you have to use iMessage.

Maybe this is US-specific though. Europe often forces Apple to do things they don't do here.

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[–] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 29 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You both use Signal, problem solved.

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

Me and my wife do this and its pretty much the only person we talk to on there.

Its got some nice features to keep track of images and such. I was surprised she went for it really, usually 99% of the ideas I mention to her get turned down lol

Oh forgot to add, we also have android and iOS.

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[–] darkstar@sh.itjust.works 26 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Why are you still using sms in 2024?....

[–] jrubal1462@mander.xyz 8 points 2 months ago (4 children)

I'm not OP but I might as well be. My family has a group chat that exists almost exclusively to send pics/videos of the kids to each other. It's a mixed group of android/iOS, so the videos come through with 12 pixels. I have begged and pleaded for every key to switch to telegram, GroupMe, Gchat, Facebook... ANYTHING!!

But they're all on iPhone because they specifically don't want to be tweaking or customizing anything in their phones.

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[–] bradboimler@lemmy.world 22 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)
[–] potentiallynotfelix@lemdro.id 22 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Apple doesn't do RCS. This should be changing soon, but for now you should be using another messaging app, because everything you send is unencrypted and shittier quality

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[–] obinice@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago

Sending multimedia via traditional text messaging uses the MMS service, which is ideal for very low resolution images, like sub megabyte, I didn't even know it could support videos! Wild.

I suggest you add her on something like Discord, or WhatsApp, LINE, whatever works for you, and send each other multimedia that way :-)

Also depending on your provider you may incur lower costs and faster load times, too.

[–] TheCelticPirate@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You'll need a third party messaging app. Like Signal or WhatsApp.

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, why the hell is OP using SMS?

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[–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Apple dragged their feet for years in implementing RCS.

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[–] vext01@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 2 months ago

Send the video over a messenger instead?

[–] jadedwench@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

I think everyone has explained the how and why, but not any real solutions that don't involve using a completely different application. I don't have an iPhone in front of me, but with Android you can share as a link to Google Photos instead of sending the picture/video directly. I am pretty sure you can do something similar with iCloud. Have her try the share as iCloud link instead.

Update: I just tested it. I had them open up Photos, go to the image/video, tap the share button, and then if you scroll down a tiny bit there is a share as iCloud link. I was able to view it just fine on my Android phone.

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