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[–] taiyang@lemmy.world 144 points 2 months ago (6 children)

Pretty sure at this point valve just does things for the love of the game. They don't need VR or handhelds and they certainly don't need their own games, but they do it anyway.

And I don't say that just cause 30% profit off their store is enough; Apple and Google both do that on mobile and they still stick their grubby hands on everything (their stores are probably a fraction of their profit anyway).

Nah, it's cause Valve doesn't have shareholders and doesn't seem interested in the myth of infinite growth. They just want to tinker; Portal was self reflecting parody, haha.

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 59 points 2 months ago (4 children)

That's what you get when the Company CEO is also the original (or at least one of) Founder

Every time the founder CEO steps down and is replaced (Unless the founder directly, hand picks their successor (and even then sometimes not)) the company goes to shit soon after

It happened with Google, it happened with Apple, it happened with Reddit (Little more complicated, but there were multiple founders, the one with the vision and the one with only money on the mind, you can guess which one is currently at the helm) and it'll happen with Valve too

[–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 25 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I'm terrified when Gabe dies that my library of temporarily licensed software will be stripped away.

[–] Coelacanth@feddit.nu 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

We really need to find a fountain of youth for Gabe like, yesterday. I genuinely dread his passing.

[–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

So did you know that you can't will your library after death? Maybe as he gets closer, he'll rethink that 🤷

[–] Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Him being 100+ pounds over weight isn't helping this fear, either

[–] AnExerciseInFalling@programming.dev 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

He actually appears to have lost a lot of weight recently

Source from earlier this year https://starfishneuroscience.com/team

[–] Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

Damn, he has, last time I saw him he had lost a lot of weight, but that still meant he was like 100lbs overweight. Then I saw a newer pic a few years later and he had gain a bunch back. So I just figured he was in the yo-yo diet game. Good to see he seems to be progressively getting better. I mean, he does have billions to afford dieticians, personal trainers, private chefs, etc., but addiction, is addiction.

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yep, as soon as you're beholden to shareholders, you're forced to take the short term view on everything, at the expense of long term returns.

[–] DScratch@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 months ago

LINE MUST GO UP THIS QUARTER!

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[–] The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'm glad they do these things.

It also makes me more likely to put time into Deadlock, because I know they'll support it for a while.

[–] skulblaka@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I was talking to my friend about it today. The jury is out on whether Deadlock will be free to play or not, but I expect it will and I expect them to set it up as the new generation's TF2 - i.e. Valve's home cooked free to play game, and this thing might have a tail of 15 years or more.

I might be wrong, but I hope I'm not. I like Deadlock so far.

[–] NOOBMASTER@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The problem is, if Deadlock goes free to play, then they will have so many problems with cheaters and bots, as any other free to play game.

[–] skulblaka@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago

Sure, but so does any game. And Valve has put a lot of work, pretty recently, into washing all the bots out of TF2. So they're well primed for the war in that department.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They don’t need VR or handhelds and they certainly don’t need their own games, but they do it anyway.

Releasing a handheld was a fairly savvy marketing strategy, given how lucrative the console marketplace has proven to be. Idk if I'd call that "love of the game" so much as "optimal play at the production price point".

Valve doesn’t have shareholders and doesn’t seem interested in the myth of infinite growth.

Plenty of Valve's store content is absolute dogshit. I refuse to believe they are immune to the allure of infinite growth through the distribution of MOBAs and other FTP games. But they're not munching on their seed corn in pursuit of stratospheric growth, like Apple and Microsoft. They're also coasting on an environment where things are getting worse and they're just kinda treading water.

Not getting worse is the new getting better.

[–] desktop_user@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 2 months ago

proton is definitely an improvement, and them actually maintaining all their functionality is better than most tech companies are doing.

[–] Overshoot2648@lemm.ee 9 points 2 months ago

Shareholders ruin everything. That's why I'm a Mutualist.

[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] taiyang@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

Probably not too far off from his real thoughts, lol

[–] stupidcasey@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You don’t seem to have the billionaire monopolist mindset, when you reach the level steam is at you are no longer competing for money but power, steam could be making all the money in the world but that won’t stop Microsoft from shutting them down as they have already tried to do with windows store, if steam doesn’t have its own platform they are vulnerable and beholden to Microsoft, it’s true Gabe Newell could retire anytime he wants but that only applies to him not his countless employees, if steam can’t make enough money to pay a competitive wage to hire people from Microsoft, Nintendo, Apple or Sony then they will just work for them for more money so they have to charge the %30 Steam isn’t a public company but I guarantee the vast vast majority of its profits are poured directly back into the company its always that way or other companies will outcompete and they will die.

[–] taiyang@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

I bet Microsoft also tried to buy them out at some point. They really want in on that PC gaming market share but the windows store is so incredibly bad that it'd probably be the end of PC gaming as we know it.

[–] Rookwood@lemmy.world 69 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Since the games in the first image, Valve has released:

TF2

Left 4 Dead

Left 4 Dead 2

Alien Swarm

Portal 2

CS:GO

Dota 2

Artifact

Dota Underlords

Half-Life: Alyx

CS2

[–] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 60 points 2 months ago (7 children)

CS2 and Alyx also happened, it's a thing now.

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 32 points 2 months ago

They'll still be printing money.

[–] Klanky@sopuli.xyz 30 points 2 months ago (3 children)
[–] Gork@lemm.ee 24 points 2 months ago (2 children)

But Valve can't count to 3

[–] Steamymoomilk@sh.itjust.works 16 points 2 months ago
[–] 7355608@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

What about skipping 3 and making Portal π?

[–] Kyatto@leminal.space 3 points 2 months ago

Because you keep trying till you run out of cake, if we are eating pie we are way past cake so we shouldn't be trying anymore.

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[–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 9 points 2 months ago (2 children)

What would you really add or change that would warrant a third game though? The second game can already be expanded into multiple full games thanks to the mod community.

The first game laid out the concept, the second game refined it and expanded on it. While technically nothing stopping then from making more of exactly the same game such would be disappointing against most people their expectation of improvement and would be easily criticized from all kinds of corners. Weather it is fair or makes any logical sense valve today is who they are part because of their imago, maintaining there respectable and high quality standard is economic survival.

[–] Klanky@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I don’t know what I’d add, I’m not nearly creative or talented enough to design games. I just love the world and want more official stories in it.

I trust Valve to only do it if they have something that would be as big a jump as there was between 1 and 2.

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[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Time travel such as has never been implemented before

[–] Korrok@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

There's something similar, in Portal Reloaded you can travel between timelines. It's a mod, though: https://store.steampowered.com/app/1255980/Portal_Reloaded/

[–] fbarj@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago

Also Thinking with Time Machine

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[–] NOOBMASTER@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago
[–] Coelacanth@feddit.nu 22 points 2 months ago

IceFrog is cooking.

[–] WilfordGrimley@linux.community 16 points 2 months ago (1 children)

My man doesn't know the genius of Dota 2.

[–] arefx@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Dota 2 is the greatest game of all time. Not video game, but game. Take video games, chess and board games, sports, all of it. Dota 2 is insane and simply the best. The sheer amount of mind energy that people can throw into the matches is unreal and the skill ceiling is seemingly endless.

[–] Naz@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Damn. Reading this comment is humbling.

If you had to make a sequel to DOTA/DOTA2, what would it be?

Deadlock seeks to be that sequel, but I personally don't really see it just yet

[–] Anti_Face_Weapon@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

We shall see. I think deadlock is trying to do it's own thing.

[–] arefx@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

If I had to make a sequel it would just be the same thing in a new engine with modern graphics to the time. I think dota 2 still has plenty of life and dont think we need a 3 yet. I think deadlock is the perfect option for something similar but with a new feeling to it.

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