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[–] Phegan@lemmy.world 102 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Mainstream media benefits from another trump presidency. Trump drives ratings. Ratings means sponsors, sponsors mean revenue, revenue means shares going up.

They are corporations, not services. It's illegal for them to not do what helps their shareholders.

Mainstream media benefits from another trump presidency.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 16 points 2 months ago

It’s illegal for them to not do what helps their shareholders.

This has been repeatedly shown false. They have a fiduciary responsibility to the shareholders, not a legal one. As Tim Apple once told an investor asking about gains on their push for environmental greenness as a company, he told them that if all they want is for the number to go up they should get out of the stock.

Cook then offered his own bottom line to Danhof, or any other critic, one which perfectly sums up his belief that social and political and moral leadership are not antithetical to running a business. “If that’s a hard line for you,” Cook continued, “then you should get out of the stock.”

https://alearningaday.blog/2016/03/12/tim-cook-on-roi

[–] orcrist@lemm.ee 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Corporations do not have to prioritize profit above everything. The old case where that was in question is quite nuanced and worth reading about.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Businesses also have wide latitude in how they interpret profit mandate. They're allowed to make purely gut-driven predictions and take huge risks with little evidence on the grounds that a payoff is on the horizon.

Tim Cook could blandly assert that environmental greenness does increase profits and then just hand wave in some fuzzy math about hypothetical waste management or non-renewable material costs or public sentiment. And who could argue with him over a 20 year time horizon?

You can say whatever you want as a CEO and most people will reflexively trust you simply because you're in a position of authority.

[–] xenoclast@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They ARE services. They're not services run for the benefit of the public.

I think we all got a little messed up by the few years that journalism had a bit of credibility. For the vast vast vast majority of humans on earth all forms of mass communication have been propaganda for those in power.. I mean look at the Catholic Church for the best modern example

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Which few years are you referring to?

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[–] Sgt_choke_n_stroke@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Yea it's now an election of the old school vs new school and the passing of the torch. Boomers are going down kicking and screaming

[–] WHYAREWEALLCAPS@fedia.io 70 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I make my livin' off the evenin' news Just give me somethin', somethin' I can use

[–] CynicRaven@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

People love it when you lose. Give us dirty laundry.

[–] abracaDavid@lemmy.today 33 points 2 months ago (3 children)

It's a low bar. If we're now judging candidates in comparison to Trump then we're in trouble.

Trump isn't the standard. He's an anomaly, and we should aim way higher.

[–] InternetUser2012@lemmy.today 8 points 2 months ago (5 children)

Lol, name the last Republican President that wasn't a moron.

[–] nifty@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 3 points 2 months ago

https://ictnews.org/archive/theodore-roosevelt-the-only-good-indians-are-the-dead-indians

Morality wise, the last good Republican was Grant.

For intelligence it's Nixon imo. Tricky Dick didn't get where he was by being a moron, evil isn't stupid.

Eisenhower very definitely wasn't stupid either.

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[–] ulterno@lemmy.kde.social 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Well, Trump did make a ton of people madly follow him.
It may be leading the world to ruin, but it is still leading.

I'd put the impact rating as "high".
The direction being undesirable.

[–] Hacksaw@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 months ago

I don't agree. A scale has to be useful for separating what you're measuring. Any scale that puts Kamala as "low" is like trying to measure the size of a banana and an orange in kilometers, they'll both measure "low". There is no decent measure by which Trump is anything but scum. Kamala (or just about anyone who isn't a Trump voter) ranks so far above Trump that they can't be anything under "excellent" on a scale designed to meaningfully compare these candidates.

Obviously the scale we should be using for our politicians SHOULD be better, and that's because we should have produced better candidates. With the candidates we have, we don't get to use a better scale because in doing so we'll be playing right into Republican narrative of "they're both the same" or Kamala is "low" quality so vote for Trump.

[–] Pandemanium@lemm.ee 17 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Which pundits actually said that? Most of what I've read, people were saying she did pretty well. But you sure got people here believing this meme.

[–] blady_blah@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

Fox news. Daily beast. Daily Mail. etc. The usual suspects. But no matter what she said or did, they were going to bash her. If she were the 2nd coming they would say she was a "trans ultra-left authoritarian".

[–] sanpedropeddler@sh.itjust.works 16 points 2 months ago (2 children)

The winner of a political debate is whoever the audience likes more. It unfortunately has nothing to do with being a reasonable person.

[–] Stalinwolf@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 months ago

It's fucking absurd and embarrassing that crowd participation is even permitted in televised presidential debates.

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 6 points 2 months ago

This is the folly of representative democracy. It inevitably becomes less about policy and instead a popularity contest between figureheads.

Representative democracy has run its course, and the problems it solved (the fact that it's not practical for everyone to attend places of government from far away) have all but been solved by technology. Bring on direct democracy.

[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Media is a circus. Dont clown around or stick head in the lions mouth and youre gonna get a low score

[–] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The media is owned by old white conservative men who would prefer fascism over more taxes.

The 'liberal media' is a lie

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Had a coworker get very mad when I threw "liberal media" back in her face by noting FOX brags about being "the most watched network".

She responded that FOX is too liberal.

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[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

of course they did, they don't understand shit and need to drum up literally anything to get clicks lmao

[–] abfarid@startrek.website 10 points 2 months ago

When the other candidate's performance is "rock bottom", "low" is a massive step up. Not doing the listed things shouldn't raise the evaluation to "high", because that's the bare minimum.

[–] don@lemm.ee 4 points 2 months ago

I was under the impression that we all know that nearly all media pundits are greedy and suffer from some form of dementia or other brain disease.

[–] systemglitch@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

That's a lot of things she didn't do.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

She also clarified her stance on Israel i.e. exactly the same as Biden, full support for genocide.

[–] trashgirlfriend@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Yeah idk why you're getting downvoted, that was one of the most disappointing parts of it.

She could have tried to wriggle around it a bit more rhetorically but she just went "I'll bang my head against the wall with Israel just like we've been doing till now."

In general it was a pretty bad showing from Harris, and Walz did only a bit better.

[–] orcrist@lemm.ee 19 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The downvotes are because that topic matters a lot, but it's also used to try to force people to become single issue voters, so they'll vote against her, all the while knowing that Trump loves genocide too, but let's not mention that.

So if you wanna attack Harris on that issue, please do. You should. But remember to include Trump's stance as well, if you're trying to talk about an upcoming election.

Or hey, do whatever you like, right? It's just that simplistic comments often get simplistic responses (i.e., downvotes).

[–] trashgirlfriend@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I feel like having to preface evert criticism of dems with "Trump is worse but..." seems pretty silly.

[–] wagesj45@fedia.io 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I generally consider Republican candidates and ideas non-starters. Not even worthy of consideration. When I criticize Democrats, the "Trump is not an option" is implied.

[–] Hacksaw@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago (6 children)

But then your comments are identical to those posted by people whose goal is to undermine democratic support through single issues in order to create voter apathy and let Trump win.

It's not the message people are downvoting it's the effect. If you don't do anything to separate your message from this type of malicious attack, it'll unfortunately be taken as that.

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[–] exanime@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Why? In this race he is literally the alternative

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