EDIT: no, I don't sympathize with nazis (neither I sympathize with those who call everyone nazi when they're losing an argument ;)
Fuck that. Defederate all Nazis.
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More like de-head-erate all nazis lmao
No offense but this is kind of what happens in real life too. Nazi shows up to local bar. Barman or owner doesn't throw them out. Eventually they invite their friends. It winds up being known a Nazi bar. People who don't want to associate with Nazis no longer visit the bar. This is why intolerance of the intolerant is a thing.
Funny thing is, the Nazis would use those same guilty by association tactics to silence and crush dissent.
Lmao "try and understand them" fuck off, OP. You're not fooling anyone. There's no point trying to understand assholes.
This post assumes that a meaningful amount of defed instances are caused by simple lack of agreement. Often, it's an orthogonal matter - it boils down to instance A actually understanding something about the userbase of instance B and saying "I'm not dealing with this shit, it'll make the instance worse for its own users". For example: the typical user of B might be disingenuous, or preach immoral prescriptions, behave like a chimp, or be a bloody stupid piece of trash that should've stayed in Reddit to avoid smearing its stupidity everywhere here.
Are instance admins too eager to pull the trigger for defed? Perhaps, in some cases; specially because it handles groups of users instead of individuals. But those cases are better addressed through actual examples, not through a meme talking on generic grounds.
What a simple, stupid argument.
You can’t enter a discussion with somebody who’s just trying to bombard you into submission. OP is wildly ignorant or just somebody sad they’re being defederated on a different account.
I'm so glad that the comments have (mostly) finally unified in agreement that defederating Nazis and other hideous people is the right move.
Unless the nazi wears red, then let him spew his holocaust denial because "western propaganda imperialism butwhatabout they deserved it it never happened."
I'm not up to date on the drama. Who got defeded?
It's intriguing how everyone that views themselves as moderates/liberals forget (or are unacquainted with it) about the paradox of tolerance.
Tolerance implies everyone has a right to express their ideas and you want that. You want everything out in the open, so you can pick at it, dismantle it and render it pitiful, ridiculous and useless.
You want the intolerant crying out loud that you are intolerant as that means you are doing the right thing. The intolerant want silence, forced, while the tolerant want noise, anger, tension.
Remember that anything worthwhile needs to be fought for. Don't regret being vocal and harsh towards intolerance.
That is a pretty ironic comment because that is not what the paradox of tolerance is at all. The paradox of tolerance is that intolerance needs to be suppressed for tolerance to exist, since tolerance can't exist alongside intolerance.
The paradox is that tolerance needs to be intolerant towards intolerance in order for a tolerant society to exist, literally the exact opposite of what you wrote.
Fascists and child porn spammers may have rights somewhere, but not in my world.
True but.
It reminds me of this discussion I had on Reddit with a person who said it was okay to punch a Nazi, just like that. Walk up to them l, punch.
I start with that Nazi's don't really exist, and if someone has intolerant ideas them maybe it's better to talk them out of those ideas instead of reinforcing them.
This discussion took a few messages until it ended with this person calling me a Nazi and threateni to punch me if he ever saw me, just and only because o disagreed with unjustified violence against intolerant people
This person was just as intolerant as a Nazi themselves and didn't even realize it.
You ever convert a Nazi with words? You certainly haven't convinced me that a Nazi puncher and a Nazi are the same.
Nazi's don't exist. They haven't existed for about 80 years now. What do exist are people with varying degrees of being a racist cunt.
Yu can either piss them off and push them deeper or talk with them and pull them out. Even if you only pull them up a little, it's an improvement
These people are still going to be here. You punch them, what does it solve? Tomorrow he or she is still out there, probably even more angry and convinced they're right.
I know that reasoning is much, much harder to do but it's also much more rewarding.
Also, just don't be a dick. If you punch someone simply for saying that he likes what Nazi's did you're literally the wrong one. He's using stupid words, you're being violent. Any judge will throw your ass in jail, not the wannabe Nazi, and he'd be right.
Again, we still need to love with these people. They're still in your streets, in our stores, in our bars, in our schools. Do you want to push them further and further until they break, or do you want them to understand and learn and get better?
Risking to fall for a troll here... Nazis very much exist. There might be the term neonazis to distinguish them, but lets face it. The neonazis are identical in their ideology, political means (threats, violence, murder), demeanor and even in appeal they try to be as close to the original as possible.
For the second part. Do you think a Nazi will discuss openly with you? No they would murder you in place, if you dont follow their ideology, or heck even if they just think you looked at them funny. Giving them space in public and letting them influence public space is affirming their positions and supporting their means to influence society. That is where the "punch a Nazi" is coming from. They need to be denied public space and public power. That is also where some realise they are not in the right, because the public is not agreeing with them and not secretly supporting them, which is a cornerstone of their belief system.
Defederating brigaders and trolls is necessary to maintain a healthy community. If your instance is defederated from all major instances, perhaps you should look examine what sort of company you keep.
With that mentality we'll all become beehaw. The cesspool of don't look at me funny.
If the 'thing you dont agree' with is hate speech or shit promotting violence for example that's the only sane option you have lol
Yes. Tolerance should not extend to intolerance, and intolerance should never be a thing we tolerate.
If it were that simple, then it would be fine.
But the point is, people just start to label anything that whiffs of a different opinion as "intolerance".