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[–] RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de 22 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (4 children)

A prolonged incursion into Russia could escalate the conflict, drawing in other nations and potentially leading to a catastrophic global confrontation.

Bit of a joke to write this, isn't it. The one country that is escalating things is Russia. They could have always moved back and have given up and this would all be over. Maybe Ukraine would leave the Russian territory if Russia leaves Ukrainian territory? Not sure that's on the table.

Edit: coming back to all the reactions. Just wow, hilarious.

Edit2: haha, they even come back to monitor edits. Fun times.

[–] LemmyHead@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 weeks ago

They're out there watching you 👀

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)


[–] anachronist@midwest.social 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Russia is so terrified of Nato encroachment that they stripped their defenses along the Finnish boarder shortly after Finland joined Nato, and they've moved all the defenses at this point (first weapons, now troops) out of Kaliningrad.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
  1. Invading via Finland isn’t a thing. Ask Bonaparte or Hitler. There’s nothing up there but lakes, mud, and mosquitos.
  2. Where were Russian speakers being killed by government-backed neo-Nazis for the last decade? In eastern Norway? No, in eastern Ukraine.
  3. The US doesn’t have nuclear weapons deployed in Finland, and no known plans to. NATO Ally [Poland] 'Ready' to Station Nuclear Weapons on Its Territory

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[–] anachronist@midwest.social -1 points 3 weeks ago

There’s nothing up there but lakes, mud, and mosquitos

That's a rude way to describe Saint Petersburg.

[–] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 weeks ago

Why would the Murican give such assurance to a failing empire? What would the Russians do ? Not collapse ? Kill a bunch of people as they retreat ?

[–] Atomic@sh.itjust.works -2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It's a .ml community. What did you expect?

[–] snugglesthefalse@sh.itjust.works -2 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Yeah I'm on the verge of blocking ml as well as hexbear, it's insane the level of mental gymnastics that's happening. Like what do they think Russia is going to do any less damage to the world than America if they get the chance?

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 weeks ago

do they think Russia is going to do any less damage to the world than America if they get the chance

Very probably, yes.

Around 20 years ago Russia—at the time lead by Putin—wanted to join the imperialism club, but the US rejected them. Ex-Nato head says Putin wanted to join alliance early on in his rule. Since then Russia, rejected by the Global North, has had no choice but to join with the Global South as allies instead of neocolonizers. Hence BRICS+ and the larger developing multipolar bloc that’s going its own way, ignoring the US’ “rules-based international order” sanctions, developing its own international balance of payments outside of US dollar hegemony, and working to get out from under the boot of the IMF’s & World Bank’s debt traps.

Why did the US reject Russia from joining NATO? Because the US doesn’t want Europe and Russia to develop closer ties, because it doesn’t want the “Eurasian landmass” to ever cohere, because then it would become too self-sufficient and powerful for the US to control. Zbigniew Brzezinski laid this theory out when the Soviet Union fell. That’s why the US tried to convince Europe not to build Nord Stream 2 and then later not to turn it on, why Biden said he would “bring an end to it” if Russia invaded, and why they ultimately did bring an end to it.

The US also very much wants regime change or balkanization in Russia so it can resume its neocolonial “shock therapy” plundering of it, which started under Yeltsin and ended under Putin. That’s why the US has a special hate-on for Putin.

Compare what Russia has done in the last 80 years to the US:

As for the US’ actions against post-Soviet Russia in particular:
The US has wanted to break up or otherwise weaken/isolate Russia ever since almost immediately after the break-up of the USSR. That’s why it’s been expanding NATO ever-closer to Russia despite originally having sworn up & down never to move one inch eastward. The US couldn’t allow a Ukrainian government to stand that was friendly with Russia. That’s why it couped Ukraine’s government in 2014.

[–] Atomic@sh.itjust.works -2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Not about that. They have some misguided notion that Russia stands for some imaginary form of communism that is the answer to everything.

And everything bad in the world is because of Capitalism. And also, everything west of Russia is "The west" and the entire "the west" is one entity.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

That’s a shit strawman. Literally no one thinks that.

[–] Atomic@sh.itjust.works -1 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Unfortunately, I've had plenty of conversations here with people who think exactly this.

So yes, there are people who literally think this.

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 weeks ago

No, that's just what you put in their mouths because you're stupid and intransigent

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 weeks ago

Show me a Lemmy conversation where someone thought that Russia stands for communism in any way. Only right-wing doofuses ever make such claims.

[–] velox_vulnus@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Wasn't there supposed to be a ceasefire talks in Doha with respect to energy and power infrastructures?

[–] the_wise_wolf 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Russia's current position is, that for ceasefire negotiations to start, Ukraine first has to demilitarize. In other words, no. There aren't any ceasefire negotiations starting any time soon.

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[–] blarth@thelemmy.club 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Fuck Russia. Enjoy the incursion, Putin.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 weeks ago
[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

looks like western sponsors of the war might have had enough of Zelensky

It is time for sober reflection. The Ukrainian people deserve leadership focused on practical, achievable objectives, not on grandstanding gestures. While courage and defiance are admirable, they must be tempered with strategic wisdom. The path to victory lies not in symbolic acts of defiance, but in the methodical, relentless pursuit of territorial liberation.

[–] the_wise_wolf 20 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

The path to victory lies not in symbolic acts of defiance, but in the methodical, relentless pursuit of territorial liberation.

That's just stupid. Are they really suggesting Ukraine should focus solely on grinding through fortified Russian defenses? War is more complicated than "just liberate the occupied territory". And while it's true that this counteroffensive has its risks. Everything they do or don't do has its risks.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 12 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (22 children)

I think they are just meant Ukraine should stick to the original strategy of prolonging the war no matter what. It's lost either way, but costly losses will finish it faster than daily grind as usual.

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[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 weeks ago

This is not a counter offensive, it's a political stunt for the benefit of the smooth brained western public.

[–] superkret -3 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

This article was written by ChatGPT3 and they didn't even change the structure to hide it.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

is there anything more liberal than avoiding engaging with the content of an article when criticizing

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