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[–] MadhuGururajan@programming.dev 94 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Of course they are. The more they get to know their classmates the less ignorant they become and hence the less weird behaviors they exhibit.

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 27 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

Eh. Males on their own don't tend to exhibit that behavior. It's less ignorance and more ape like competitiveness. When you put them together the testosterone compounds and leads to machismo, which results in a bunch of dumb shit.

[–] SkyNTP@lemmy.ml 18 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

This argument is saturated in assumptions and is difficult to swallow.

The idea of lack of close physical contact promoting bad behaviour is a well studied phenomenon in many areas, including road rage, and online discourse.

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

So I actually read the article — you should try it some time — and it literally states males exhibit this behavior due to competitiveness.

So no, my argument is not saturated in assumptions. It's saturated in experience, and backed by science.

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 12 points 3 weeks ago

There are studies of men growing up with sisters are more likely to act in a woman's best interest, than the stereotypical macho douchebag persona

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

When you put them together the testosterone compounds and leads to machismo, which results in a bunch of ~~dumb~~ fun shit.

[–] cynar@lemmy.world 21 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

After a quick read of the article, it's not measuring how matcho they are, but how competitive they are. Even that is by proxy. Men who have lived with more men will tend towards a game of skill for a larger payout, over a fixed payout.

I personally consider the risk management of being competitive to be an extremely important life skill. Knowing your capabilities requires practise and comparison. Men also tend to change their behaviour patterns when a women is present, particularlyyounger men. "Machoism" is often just our tribal bonding instincts kicking in. It let's young men learn the limits of their own capabilities and the capabilities and temperament of these they are working closely with.

[–] Shou@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Testosterone spikes inhibit risk assessment. Testosterone spikes based on social circumstance rather than the time of day. When there are smaller males/females around you can dominate, testosterone spikes. When the other males are bigger, stronger and more aggressive, testosterone doesn't spike. Making you avoid conflict instead.

A lack of risk assessment, along with increased impulsivity, is a feature. Useful to get males to initiate fighting.

[–] gap_betweenus@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Reducing human behavior to a single hormone is a choice that is not very representative of reality.

[–] Shou@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

I never said that. It's only a factor.

[–] cynar@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

Testosterone has complex effects. It is also one of the few hormones that significantly changes in the male brain. Learning to both control and utilise its effects is critical to the proper development of a man.

Testosterone changes your risk assessments, rather than jamming them. Uncontrolled, it can be problematic. It takes practice and training to channel that in productive directions. Without that practice, it's effects are either bottled up (with a tendency to explode) or lead to fighting, or crude domineering. Neither is healthy.