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Golan, who entered politics five years ago after a career in the army, is one of the most prominent of the many brave Israelis who took matters into their own hands that day to save others. His new image as a hero has given his political career a shot in the arm – and he has decided his new mission is to revive his country’s moribund left.

“The right today in Israel is people who think we can annex millions of Palestinians, and Israel should adopt some sort of policy of revenge, that we can live by our swords and not attempt to reconcile with the Palestinians or any other hostile entity in the region. I think 180 degrees the opposite.”

Israeli politics has changed, Golan said. “I’m not sure whether Israel right now is truly a democratic state any more … It is not a question of left or right any more: these titles are meaningless,” he said.

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[–] A1kmm@lemmy.amxl.com 59 points 1 month ago (2 children)

In the modern sense, I think most people would take the word "democracy" to include universal suffrage - at a minimum, all adults born or granted citizenship there should have the equal right to vote for it to be considered a democracy.

In practice, Israel has substantial control over the entire region from the Mediterranean Sea to the Jordan River, between Egypt and Lebanon (that is not to say that they should, just the reality) - in the sense that anyone in that area's lives are significantly controlled by Israeli government decisions, and the Israeli government and military operates over that entire area.

So the minimum bar for it being a democracy is that adults - including the people with ancestral ties to the area that it controls - get an equal say in the governance. That is clearly not the case, and has not been for quite some time; it not being a democracy is not a recent development (maybe it's never actually been a true democracy).

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 3 points 4 weeks ago

Thank you for taking the time to say it all out. I saw this headline and my reaction was: who’s going to tell him: it never was one!

[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 48 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I had some Israeli friends get radicalised by the whole thing. My roomate was a center-left israeli who used to say Nethanyahu was a dictator, but now with the invasion I guess he got scared by the media’s “anti-semetism” fearmongering, and the fact his brother is in the army, and has taken a strong rightward shift.

Back in the day I took polisci classes with him so the shift is really noticeable to me.

[–] primrosepathspeedrun@lemmy.world 4 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

zionists can't really be saved. they know what they do is unforgivable, and can't imagine anyone else being less vile and disgusting than they are. their fear keeps them trapped in a cycle of atrocity. only one way out. may as well do it before more innocents get hurt.

[–] febra@lemmy.world 25 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It never was. An apartheid is not a democracy.

[–] davepleasebehave@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

once you get rid of the filthy undesirables it might be.

[–] febra@lemmy.world 0 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Who doesn't love a "democracy" founded on genocide, am I right?

[–] davepleasebehave@lemmy.world 1 points 4 weeks ago

Like the US?

[–] istanbullu@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 month ago

Israel was never a democracy.

[–] b161@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 1 month ago

Humanity lives or dies in Gaza. The very existence of Israel is incompatible with a future for us. All states must end. Colonial states especially are a shameful part of our history, and a stain on our existence. Israel at present is the most egregious among them. Committing outright genocide today as was done in the United States, Canada, Australia, and many other countries.

Humanity must transcend this state of endless murder and exploitation or we’re all doomed.

[–] robocall@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's an ethnostate/theocracy with apartheid state for the people that were there first.

[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Lol, Israel wasn't even there first.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

While I wholeheartedly support his mission, Golan is not the BEST surname for an anti-annexation politician from Israel 😂