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[–] mlg@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Democrats when Democrats don't use their powers to do what they promised: "Um akshully it has to pass congress and guess what all dem republicans are blocking the bills so really biden's hands are tied and it's your fault for not voting enough"

Also Democrats: "lmao lets shove thousands of bombs to Israel and run security defense exercises against the Houthis without congressional approval"

Meanwhile Republicans: "executive privilege and unconstitutional orders go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr"

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago (5 children)

Friendly reminder that literally all legalization legislation and referendums have come through the Democratic party.

Biden already pledged support. He needs youth vote. There's literally no reason he wouldn't unless he was blocked by Republicans...

... Which he is.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Friendly reminder that literally all legalization legislation and referendums have come through the Democratic party.

https://www.kiplinger.com/politics/red-states-embrace-marijuana-the-kiplinger-letter

Red states are poised to increasingly embrace weed. Ohio is the latest, becoming the 24th state to legalize marijuana for recreational use via a voter referendum. This follows successful efforts in the past two years in Montana and Missouri. Fourteen states have legalized marijuana for medical use only.

[–] PrettyLights@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Then why is one of his campaign promises written as: "As president he will decriminalize cannabis..."

Is his campaign promising things he doesn't have the power to do?

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Yes this is literally par for the course for every single presidential campaign in history.

They promise what they'll do. They don't say try to do because that's been tested in marketing and certainty sounds better. Nevertheless it's not Biden's fault his agenda for what he's been voted into office on is being blocked by the opposition for poor reasons.

The question isn't why isn't Biden doing this, the issue is why are Republicans blocking it and why aren't you trying to convince them and their supporters?

[–] PrettyLights@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (6 children)

If I can't believe any of the good campaign promises from biden because everyone lies, why should we take the scary campaign promises of republicans seriously?

It really leads to apathy in the voter base.

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (5 children)

I'm really struggling to understand how you don't understand how this works. I have to conclude you're doing this in bad faith, given you implied your age is pretty high.

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[–] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Well, I don't have a study backing me up, but in my experience, promising what you can't deliver often results in being called a liar.

I really don't know why "other candidates do it" would be an excuse. The whole pitch for voting for him is that he is supposed to be better than the other candidates. Seems like whataboutism.

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[–] Bartsbigbugbag@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

The legalization of cannabis in my state was brought about by activists, not Democratic Party members, and was passed by the public, which is made up of a majority of unaffiliated voters. Our Democratic governor vehemently opposed the measure. He did implement it when it passed, which Republican legislatures and governors have not done when similar bills were passed by the public in Republican states, though.

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Curious of the state but I'm willing to bet money >90% of those activists were, conveniently, voting Democrats or of the Democratic coalition.

This is generally reflected in public polling: https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2024/03/26/most-americans-favor-legalizing-marijuana-for-medical-recreational-use/#:~:text=62%25%20of%20conservative%20and%20moderate,Democrats%20(84%25)%20say%20this.

Finally, conservatives are starting to come around but they're always behind the curve.

[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yeah but some white kid doesn't get to blaze it with their free unicorn pony so end of democracy over it we get!

[–] areyouevenreal@lemm.ee 0 points 4 months ago (4 children)

I am lost at what you are trying to say here. Check the end of the sentence.

[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Phlubba might be referring to right wing youths who would hypothetically vote against Biden or not vote at all, cascading into a loss of US Democracy and eventually the fall of NATO and potentially democracy across the world as a whole. I don't think our situation is necessarily that bad, but it's definitely one of many possible futures.

[–] areyouevenreal@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago

What does this have to do with free unicorn ponies or the discussion at hand?

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[–] pyre@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

dude can't even say genocide is bad.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Biden has taken a very strong and outspoken position in opposition to certain instances of genocide.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

But not the one he's currently supporting.

[–] InquisitiveApathy@lemm.ee 0 points 5 months ago (3 children)

He pushed a recommendation for it to be rescheduled to the DEA like two years ago and they've been stonewalling?

Timeline of events since that recommendation was made

[–] PrettyLights@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Then why is one of his campaign promises written as: "As president he will decriminalize cannabis..."

Is his campaign promising things he doesn't have the power to do?

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

This is correct. The HHS recommended rescheduling, and the DEA hasn’t responded to the recommendation. They’re probably concerned it’ll affect their budget having fewer criminals to pursue.

[–] InquisitiveApathy@lemm.ee 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

This is the relevant bit from the article:

In late 2022, President Joe Biden issued an executive order directing HHS to review marijuana’s status as a Schedule I drug under the Controlled Substances Act, while giving a recommendation on whether it should be rescheduled. After a roughly year-long review, HHS sent a letter to the DEA in August requesting that they move marijuana to Schedule III.

They had their own review and recommended that Cannabis be moved from Schedule I(Drugs with no medicinal value and a high risk of harm/abuse - heroin,LSD,etc) to Schedule III(Drugs with low risk of harm/abuse and clear medicinal value - cough syrup,Ketamine,etc).

The Controlled Substances Act which established all our current drugs laws states that ONLY the DEA has the power to ultimately change the classification of any controlled substance. If the DEA does not feel inclined to change this, then nothing will happen with the recommendation. Biden can always play political hardball since the head of the agency is an appointed position, but it would still need to be confirmed by the Senate in the end.

I wouldn't expect to see a drop to schedule III, but I think in the next five or so year we may see it become schedule II. Progress is progress I guess.

[–] Rinox@feddit.it 0 points 4 months ago

Schedule III(Drugs with low risk of harm/abuse and clear medicinal value - cough syrup,Ketamine,etc).

The same cough syrup that contains codeine, an opiate and creates a very strong physical addiction? The same that killed Juice WRLD and Pimp C? The one that almost killed Lil Nas and Macklemore?

The fact that marijuana is right now considered as more harmful than this and should be lowered to this kind of level is just fucked up

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[–] geekwithsoul@lemm.ee 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

It definitely needs to be decriminalized but that’ll actually take an act of Congress. Public pressure needs to be applied but let’s not pretend Biden can do this on his own

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It definitely needs to be decriminalized but that’ll actually take an act of Congress

There's other ways to try, Biden just won't.

Although the President may not unilaterally deschedule or reschedule a controlled substance, he does possess a large degree of indirect influence over scheduling decisions. The President could pursue the appointment of agency officials who favor descheduling, or use executive orders to direct DEA, HHS, and FDA to consider administrative descheduling of marijuana. The notice-and-comment rulemaking process would take time, and would be subject to judicial review if challenged, but could be done consistently with the CSA’s procedural requirements. In the alternative, the President could work with Congress to pursue descheduling through an amendment to the CSA.

https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/LSB/LSB10655

But the House passed a bill to deschedule in 2022, and Biden's whole deal in the last primary was how well he could get Republican senators on board with Dem legislation.

He couldn't.

But going back full circle:

Why did Biden promise to deschedule if there's no way he can deschedule?

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

To the full-circle thing, I'm not sure what the point is. There was no explicit deadline. Promises by politicians to assert their position have been used since forever. It doesn't change the fact there are obstructions to their good intentions. If I promise something and someone blocks me from viably pursuing it, that's not on me, that's on them: Republicans.

And if they approach it the wrong way, as quoted material suggests, it risks being thrown out by the conservative court making future attempts possibly more difficult.

[–] PrettyLights@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (10 children)

If I promise something and someone blocks me from viably pursuing it, that's not on me, that's on them: Republicans.

If I promise my kid a trip to their favorite amusement park and then don't get the big bonus I expected from work to afford it, it's not my jobs fault the kid didn't go to the park. It's my fault for making a promise and not finding a way to follow through.

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[–] Pissnpink@feddit.uk 0 points 5 months ago

This is the reality of the situation.

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