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[–] PrettyLights@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago (2 children)

If I can't believe any of the good campaign promises from biden because everyone lies, why should we take the scary campaign promises of republicans seriously?

It really leads to apathy in the voter base.

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I'm really struggling to understand how you don't understand how this works. I have to conclude you're doing this in bad faith, given you implied your age is pretty high.

[–] PrettyLights@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

What part do I not understand?

[–] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That they aren't promises but goals. The Biden administration (and about every administration) works towards everything they say they'll do, how much they get done is determined by their majority and the willingness of the opposition to work with them.

[–] PrettyLights@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That they aren't promises but goals.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/biden-promise-tracker/?ruling=true

Why use the word "promise" then? Is this Newspeak?

[–] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You've already been told this in an earlier reply by someone else.

They promise what they'll do. They don't say try to do because that's been tested in marketing and certainty sounds better.

President's aren't dictators, but they do have an amount of control of pushing for specific legislation, and the big "promises" are about trying to push this legislation.

Other promises can get stalled even if it's within the president's authority, like Biden's student debt relief was stalled by the Supreme Court.

[–] PrettyLights@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago

Other promises can get stalled even if it's within the president's authority, like Biden's student debt relief was stalled by the Supreme Court.

I think the student relief is a good example of his team making an effort to keep the promise, rather than marijuana where they're barely trying.

When bidens relief was blocked, they immediately went back to the drawing board and started pushing alternative relief seriously.

He could be doing so much more for marijuana if he wanted to. Maybe he's saving it for right before the election which is terrible if so as there are lots of people being prosecuted and losing jobs today. Holding it for an election bump would further show his lack of sincerity in the promise or goal.

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago (2 children)

For the same reason we take Biden seriously: Legalization has progressed in universally all blue states, has it not?

Ergo, you answered your own question: promises often come to fruition.

So let's not risk letting Republican promises become reality, such as the promise of overturning Roe... Righhtttt?

[–] PrettyLights@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

promises often come to fruition.

It's more like he's bandwagoning something that now has popular support, without actually accomplishing much.

If he was serious he could reappoint DEA and other positions. Or an executive order to be challenged in court, etc.

Both Biden and his VP are on record as being anti marijuana before this last campaign. Biden as recently as when he was VP himself.

Bidens campaign has also fired or removed staffers for prior marijuana use.

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Let's review this as I'm seeing goalpost moving and circular reasoning present, forgetting curiously strange double-standards in where one directs their attention:

  • I highlight the fact that all Marijuana legalization, decriminalization initiatives, referendums have come under the Democratic party with Democratic states being the trailblazers
  • You ignore this fact.
  • You Pivot to why Biden is making promises he can't keep
  • I point to the fact that this is universal and the promise would be kept if it wasn't for Republican Obstruction
  • I ask why you concern yourself so much with Biden and not the obvious Republican obstructionists and their base whom you would be better served convincing in their comment threads.
  • Again, you ignore this inquiry.
  • You pivot to downplaying Trump's bad promises because they MIGHT be obstructed (rightfully so) by Democrats. (Forget the fact that one GOP/Trump Promise of overturning Roe came to fruition)
  • I thus this proves my point.
  • You, again, ignore this, then circle back to why Biden isn't trying harder. This is ostensibly victim-blaming. In other words, "Why isn't the hero of the story not doing MORE to overcome the villain!?"

It’s more like he’s bandwagoning something that now has popular support, without actually accomplishing much.

Yes, it's pretty normal that popular things are often adopted by Presidential candidates. Kind of a no-brainer, don't you think? As I said before: (1) It's popular, and (2) Biden needs those youth voters. If it's so popular, why isn't Trump doing it? Why are Republicans so opposed? This finally begs the question: Why WOULDN'T Biden support it if he could? The answer is: there is no valid reason, which means Republicans are largely to blame while the workarounds are cumbersome and even run the risk of wasting time in front of the conservative Supreme Court, jeopordizing future attempts at decriminalization.

Politicians change minds. Legalization has become far more popular in recent times. At the end of the day, like it or not, Democrats and Biden are still the best pathways toward decriminalization. We certainly won't get anything out of Trump and Republicans (which it strikes me as odd you tried to downplay Trump above).

At this point if it looks quacks and acts like a duck it probably is one. To bystanders reading this thread, this user demonstrates all classic signs of a right-wing operative intending to gaslight, sow defeatism, and wedge-drive Democrats.

You will see more of this, sadly.

[–] PrettyLights@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago
  • I highlight the fact that all Marijuana legalization, decriminalization initiatives, referendums have come under the Democratic party with Democratic states being the trailblazers
  • You ignore this fact.

Because its not true. There's a Republican led bill introduced as recently as 2023.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/5977

[–] melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee -1 points 5 months ago

youre trying to make yourself sound rational here and its really starting yl break down, dude.