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The IDF and Shin Bet security agency on Saturday night named 19 Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad terror operatives that it said it killed in an airstrike Saturday morning on a Hamas and Islamic Jihad command room at the Taba’een school in Gaza City.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 37 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Well that makes up for the other 81 dead.

Oh wait, no it doesn't at all.

[–] RangerJosie@sffa.community 13 points 1 month ago

Whether there were any legitimate targets is entirely inconsequential. They're after a body count. Nothing more. They just wanna stack corpses.

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I think their AI targeting machine was programmed to accept a 1 to 100 ratio of Hamas vs civilians. I guess stuff like that makes them the most moral army in the world.

[–] BeatTakeshi@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Which is expected from the only democracy in this barbaric part of the world amirite

[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

They are still a democracy until the fascists in power take over the judicial (bibi was trying) and cancel elections altogether. The left and the army want bibi to go. However, the government can't fall, because bibi doesn't want to go to jail and the ultraorthodox far-right will collapse government if there is a cease-fire...meanwhile Israel can't be pressured from the outside because the US has bipartisan unconditional support and the EU is MIA...threats by Iran only embolden bibi to start a fight so they can destroy Iran's nuclear tech...

Either the army rebels and demands new elections🙄...or someone amnisties bibi on condition of him calling new elections and going into exile😑 ...I'm making shit up at this point...

[–] BNE@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 month ago

Oh mate - that just would make them authoritarians. They're already fascist.

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 26 points 1 month ago (3 children)

raises hand

Question

Does that mean that if Likud has a headquarters near some civilian installation, that it's okay to blow it up and the civilians along with it?

(Not that I necessarily believe that Hamas had a command center next to all of the children, but even if they did, I don't think that automatically means that blowing up all the children in the school becomes okay)

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If you want to apply the same ratios the IDF uses when it comes to civilian casualties, Hamas comes out way better on Oct 7. The majority of the hostages and victims were IDF personnel.

[–] Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Where did you get that information?

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Wikipedia: 1,180 killed[18][c][d] 797 civilians,[e] including 36 children[f] 379 security forces[19]

For sources cited (they are legit), see https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Hamas-led_attack_on_Israel

Basically, the unacceptable and disgusting Hamas terror attack had a 32% legitimate targets to total hits ratio

Edit:

Or you can say that for every 1 legitimate target they also killed 2 illegitimate ones.

That of course does not mean that killing of legitimate targets cannot be a war crime (eg when they surrender).

But for the IDF to not be comparable to an abominable terror group, the ratios should be much different. And if we are to accept the "most moral army" thing, the ratio should be radically different (angel vs devil comparison).

Is it?

[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 17 points 1 month ago (3 children)

How many HQs does hamas have?

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 13 points 1 month ago

If it's got walls and a roof it's a Hamas HQ.

[–] Blue0x@programming.dev 11 points 1 month ago

How many schools, hospitals, and refugee camps are there in Gaza?

[–] anas@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

One of the names Israel listed as a militant was an 8-year-old boy, Shaheen Mahmoud Ibrahim Abu Sharif, according to the hospital records. Two boys on the morgue’s list, age 10 and 14, had names that suggested they were sons of a man Israel identified as a slain militant, although he was not listed among the hospital’s dead.

https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-mideast-latest-06-07-2024-cbc1aa84bc30b5f27dc1823155448f86

[–] Doorbook@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

The name thing is so stupid. You could easily have 5 different people with the same exact name especially when there limited number of families in small area.

[–] filister@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Like Israel already bombed almost all schools and universities in Gaza.

You can more easily rule over the uneducated, and I guess that's the entire point.

[–] febra@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Remember the Al Shifa hospital Hamas bunker HQ? It's been almost a year since Israel took control of it and we still haven't seen one shred of evidence. That's how much credibility they have.