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[–] archomrade@midwest.social 88 points 1 month ago (3 children)

For those in here that take offense to this distinction:

2 party political systems function to collapse diverse political perspectives into one of two camps and normalize an 'average' view for both parties. Leftists take issue with this collapse because it erases dissenting views within each party in service of defeating an 'other' at the expense of pursuing our real political goals.

The label matters to those of us who want to make the point that the US democratic party does not really represent our interests; at-best they represent a less-objectionable flavor of the same ideological framework, but one that needs to be dismantled all the same.

"Stop trying to divide us!" is a refrain spoken by those who are better served by the party than we are.

Put another way: "We are not the same"

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 25 points 1 month ago (32 children)

I think the current best demonstration on this is how hard people are pushing Mark Kelly as VP.

They push a center-right president onto the stage and then dangle another "centrist" to try and, what? Appeal to Never Trumper Republicans? Racists?

How about you offer actual progressives some goddamn enticement for once and offer it to Jamaal Bowman, who the Dems primaried in favor of a genocidal AIPAC stooge?

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[–] seahorse@midwest.social 7 points 1 month ago

Very well put

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 31 points 1 month ago (31 children)

Meh, though the meme is true, most Americans would say liberals are EVERYONE left of center, and conservatives are EVERYONE right of center.

[–] eltrain123@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Yeah, but that ‘center’ is a relative term and people move ‘center’ to fit their opinion. Every American I know thinks they are close to center, but I know people that are far left and far right, as well as people that lean left and right from a mostly central position.

No one wants to consider themselves radicalized, but there are a lot of people out there that are.

Most of American politics is right wing. Democrats lean right and Republicans run right. You could change the slant of your statement with a left-bias, instead of the right, by saying everyone left of center is progressive and everyone right of center is regressive.

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 5 points 1 month ago

Correct, I invoked an unnamed speaker in my statement.

Rephrased: each asked American would describe liberal or conservative as capturing the entire spectrum, (left or right respectively) of what they consider center.

All I mean is that the terms are most commonly used (in America) to capture damn near half of the spectrum.

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[–] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago (1 children)

What most Americans think of as 'center' is way fucking right compared to most of the world.

Here Bernie Sanders is a radically dangerous communist.

In other parts of the world he is just considered a bit progressive.

[–] DancingBear@midwest.social 13 points 1 month ago

Bernie is barely left of center on the world stage

[–] VelvetStorm@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The center is now also conservative, unfortunately.

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 28 points 1 month ago (20 children)

Using neo-liberals to define liberals is like using national socialism to define socialism.

It's authoritarian propaganda.

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[–] theoretiker@discuss.tchncs.de 27 points 1 month ago (1 children)

When you have only two parties you can only have one dimension.

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[–] Sabre363@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 month ago (17 children)

Do these labels really have any benefit or value in society, or are they just yet another lame excuse for us all to hate on a group of 'others'

[–] Imacat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 month ago

They referred to specific ideologies and economic and social policies before the modern corporate propaganda machine really started in the 80s. Pretty sure they’re meaningless to most Americans these days.

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[–] UmeU@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago

.ml has entered the chat

[–] vzq@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 1 month ago (2 children)

TBF there are about seven mutually exclusive definitions of “liberal” in each country.

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[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Americans are actually taught in school that the entire American political spectrum is inside liberalism.

They then immediately forget that anyway and fall into the conservative/liberal false paradigm.

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[–] Birbatron@slrpnk.net 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The thing I love about lemmy is instead of neoliberals and weird racists silencing Leftists like reddit, it's Leftists and Social democrats constantly at each other's throats.

The latter is much more amusing

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The latter is much more amusing

same here; but likely for different reasons.

i like learning about viewpoints that differ from mine; i think they help me question my own beliefs and, usually, it re-enforces them.

[–] Birbatron@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Yeah, on reddit, if you're not the mainstream reddit opinion you have to hide in an echo chamber, if you are the mainstream, then most of the platform is one giant echo chamber.

It doesn't help that they're all exceptionally rude and confrontational

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