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[–] dangblingus@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Have a regular PC hooked up to the TV. That's my smart machine. I control every aspect of it. Fuck Smart TVs.

[–] rbos@lemmy.ca 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Raspberry pi with Kodi hooked up to a projector and a NAS serving files works well for me.

[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

This is the way, although the pi is to slow for me at this point and I replaced it with shields.

Also why the are people connecting tvs to their networks...fuck that noise.

[–] CoderKat@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

When I completely replaced my PC, I intended to use my old PC as a media box. But in reality, I've basically used my Chromecast for everything. One of these days I'll probably want to watch something that isn't on one of my streaming sites, but I've been surprisingly resistant to that so far.

Chromecast is the ideal smart device so far, for me. No ads or anything. I use my phone as a remote and basically every video app supports it easily. Open app, press cast, select what I want to play. Exactly what a smart TV should have been like.

[–] blipcast@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

What type of Chromecast do you use? I recently bought a Chromecast Ultra for a new TV after being happy with a secondhand one for years (3rd gen, I think). The difference in UI was such a disappointing step down. I don't want a home screen with apps and ads, I just want something I can stream to from my phone! And I can't say for certain, but it also feels like I get more ads on YouTube compared to using the older Chromecast.

[–] ArdMacha@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

No you bought a Chromecast with Google TV. A Chromecast ultra is just a 4k version of the original. I used my CCwGTV for 8 months then sold it and got a CC ultra instead. I hate the promoted content from networks and apps I would never use.

[–] ramble81@lemm.ee 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Careful though, some smart TVs actually list in the ToS where they'll take screen captures of what you're watching for "informational purposes", make sure you have all data collection turned off anyway even if you don't use it as such.

[–] Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz 1 points 11 months ago

The ethernet cable goes to the computer, not the TV.

[–] jayrodtheoldbod@midwest.social 1 points 11 months ago

I believe you can still get "dumb" flatscreens, but they're getting rare, and they cost at least hundreds more than their "smart" brethren. So of course those sell very slowly.

The older I get the more I miss the sheer freedom that was built into our daily lives back when technology was just a notch or two less advanced. Phones that stayed trapped on their wall, not in your pocket, tracking you. TVs that were made of dumb stuff that could still pull free content from the air. You had to be part of a special "Nielson family", fully set up with a little tracking box and all that, for the TV to tell anybody what you were watching.

People expected you to basically fall off the earth for 8 hours at work, and didn't expect to contact you for less than a housefire-level emergency, which meant you spent most of the day free, and not just while you were at work. Nobody blinked if you stepped out for the evening to go shopping and could not be contacted for hours. Now people end up in screaming arguments because they didn't answer that text fast enough. It's misery.

I had a shock the other day, watching some YouTube short featuring a young woman (an adult, not a minor) complaining humorously about her mother, who always knows where she is, and thus has all sorts of unwanted opinions on her location. Mother always knows because of an app called Life360, which is basically the kind of spying app that an abusive spouse would hide on your phone. But it's not hidden. You force your children to install it on their phones. It's a leash. So now this adult woman, who of course cannot quite afford to leave home, because economy, cannot simply delete this spying app from her phone without consequences and arguments, so she has no privacy in her movements, from anyone, never mind the government and such. Never mind what actual minors are now putting up with.

We have officially left the era where the adults pissed and grumbled about them damn kids wanting them damn phones they don't need, and we are now in the era where some kid has absolutely been beaten with a belt because he tried to leave his phone in the bedroom and slip out of the house in privacy.

Things like Life360 are normalized among children and parents, so other people will now expect to track you and treat a refusal of tracking as a violation of trust, and probably a sign that you are elderly, thus your rights are becoming debatable.

Again, 5 minutes ago this was evil shit that abusive spouses snuck onto people's phones, suddenly, it's normal, and people will just expect it.

I guess the ongoing shock is that we expected Big Brother to somehow slap a shackle on our necks that we can't take off, but this is all worse. This is putting the shackle on your neck, every morning. It doesn't even lock. You could, theoretically, throw it into the lake at will. Nobody would stop you. But you don't. All the chains are made of other people. The whips at your back are the opinions of children, and what they think is normal. The surveillance cameras do not loom from posts in the sky, no. They're in every pocket. They're much harder to hide from than a security camera ever would be.

I hope I'm just melodramatic, or something.

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The whole point of Internet of Things (aka CONNECT EVERYTHING TO THE INTERNET) was to make customers' life miserable in the medium-long run. Anyone who couldn't figure that out was massively deluded by the propaganda

[–] Muetzenman@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago

The internet was a government projekt used for science. It was a choice to let privat companies in without regulations.

[–] Polar@lemmy.ca 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

I buy TVs with Android TV built in because the freedom is great. I love I can install APKs, and generally they have every app that Android has. Whereas Roku doesn't even have an official Twitch app.

Despite that, my fucking GOD they're slow. Both my $2000 and $650 Android TVs are such a fucking lag fest. Even trying to pause a YouTube video is such shit.

They both run Android TV 9, despite Android TV 12 being out, and 14 in beta.

My CCwGTV is a lot better, but I only use that on my non smart TV because I hate juggling remotes.

Still wont stop buying Android TVs, though. Roku is so empty, those TVs with their own built in OS have even less apps. My sisters $5500 OLED TV only has Plex, no Emby. Which is insane. I think her TVs app store has a total of like 20 apps?

Twitch updated in January with a shitty UI that lags. I just disabled updates and installed an older version of the app via APK. That's the benefit of Android TV.

EDIT: also can we please get some people on the Android TV custom ROM scene? It's weird to me that NO TVs have any sort of custom ROM or rooting. You'd think they would?

[–] Tschuuuls@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago

The custom Rom scene is probably limited by the cheap mediatek and other processors that don't have working kernel sources. Which means no builds from source like lineageOS.

[–] ErwinLottemann@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago

I guess there are way too many models of TVs which makes it complicated to gather a bigger community that have an interest in rooting these. on the other hand a lot of them are basically just some kind of android phone.

[–] AdmiralShat@programming.dev 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'm not an advocate for smart TVs, but my experience has been different. I found a deal for an 86 inch LG, and it's been nothing but smooth for me. No advertising built into the os, always has the apps I use right on the bar. The air mouse onnthe remote is reminiscent of owning a wii.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Because the vast majority of times people complain about this stuff, they have no idea what they're talking about.

If you buy a nice TV and spend 2 seconds going thru the options you won't have a single issue OP is complaining about.

Edit:

Apparently OP banned me for saying their meme doesn't make sense...

The only thing that a "cheap" TV would do is slow down overtime, because it's cheap and has the absolute bare minimum processing speed.

You need that processing speed to properly up sample to 4k from streaming.

If you want a cheap one, buy a decent 1080p so it doesn't have to upsample.

Rtings.com is a good resource.

But it should be common sense that buying a cheap product will give you poorer results.

[–] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago

My grandparents have a cheap 2014 1080p LG LCD webOS TV that they never connected to the internet but it is and always was very slow, and the LED backlight became dull blue in places. Our dumb CCFL-backlit 2007 768p Sony Bravia has <100 ms response time in menus as opposed to 1~5 s, and is awesome with a Linux HTPC (which frankly should get an upgrade to an SSD but no big deal – I can still start streaming any major movie in <3 minutes).

[–] BeefPiano@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

As an aside, isn’t the whole point of the Fediverse that we should be able to move content around? It’s sad that the only way to upvote a Mastodon post on Lemmy is through a screenshot or a link. Why can’t it just be a post that we can upvote?

[–] gencha@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago

No! Must post screenshots of text for maximum engagement!

[–] TheSealStartedIt@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago

Guys, I think this is missing a "/s" . Not sure though...

[–] Raz@lemm.ee 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

My solution: Buy a very large monitor.

Then connect some streaming box to it you can easily replace if/when it gets shitty, instead of having to replace the whole TV.

[–] BoneALisa@lemm.ee 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I would love to if they sold 65" monitors lol

[–] ech@lemm.ee 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] AnAngryAlpaca@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago

Be careful with commercial displays. Some are just designed to show static ads or pictures, which means they have a very slow response time or low resolution.

[–] Shatur@lemmy.ml 0 points 11 months ago

When I buy things like this, I try to buy hardware that supported by open source projects. Like routers that can run OpenWRT or Android phones that are supported by LineageOS.

It's amazing that sometimes free projects that are made for people are better than commercial one.

[–] GregorGizeh@lemmy.zip 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Some years ago around the advent of smart home devices I bought a huge fullhd Hisense tv for cheap. It has zero smart capabilities, and essentially acts as a big second screen for my computer, and I couldn’t be happier with it.

I am scared once it is time to replace it for something more modern I won’t be able to find one without all the smart crap I don’t use and don’t want.

[–] nottheengineer@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago

I'm considering wiring my PC up to my TV just to avoid that as well. The only things I'd need would be a long HDMI cable, a DP to HDMI adapter and a bluetooth dongle for my PC to use bluetooth headphones.

KDE connect is miles better than google's crappy phone remote thing anyways, so it would make up for having to use the desktop UI instead of TV apps.

By the way: SmarttubeTV is youtube without ads and with a great UI. It's the only reason why I haven't connected the PC to my TV yet.