Good. Government shouldn't be telling people what they do with their bodies.
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But the government picks up the payment costs, and the other costs include reduced hospital spaces, which directly impacts other people.
I understand your perspective if people are truly independent of one another, but we’re not. We rely on one another and impact each other. That means a reduction in freedom for an increase in security.
I do wish there were a way to opt out, so that people could do whatever they want with their own bodies without harming others, but we’re not there now, so we shouldn’t just accept a reduction in our ability to receive treatment we’re entitled to, to enable freedoms that don’t fit our actual system.
Would you support a law that said public healthcare is unavailable to those who choose to smoke? That would seem to be a reasonable compromise.
I would want to support that, but with a lot of caveats. If there were no chance of a shortage of hospital beds, and people were grandfathered in and given plenty of warning. There’s also the fact that it’s basically impossible to enforce. It would be easy and strongly incentivized to lie about and very difficult and expensive to investigate.
It’s also morally difficult, because one cigarette doesn’t cause cancer. I can absolutely see people who aren’t regular smokers and who aren’t increasing their chances of illness bumming a cigarette once a decade- should they lose access to healthcare? I don’t really think so (because the goal isn’t to punish smokers, but to protect non smokers), but I don’t know how you could write a law that would protect them.
I hate when articles say "will cost X number of lives". No it won't. It will cut them short, it will costs years off people's lives. Unless it's sterilized people it won't cost lives.
A person may die at 40 instead of 80 but that is still a life.
You bring up a good point, what does it actually mean? If eight people have their lives shortened by a decade, is that one life lost or eight?
None, they all had lives.
And then they lost them
You could say this about anything though. A serial killer isn't taking lives, merely shortening them. Suicide isn't ending a life it's just shortening one. Literally all death can be seen as merely the shortening of an otherwise longer life, which makes your distinction pointless.
Yes it's less extreme language. It's doesn't manipulate emotions as much, that's the point.
How is the language extreme? For something to "cost lives" means exactly for those lives to be cut short, there is no other meaningful definition. The language used is exactly as extreme as the scenario it describes, by definition.
Do you apply your same logic to other scenarios too? Like would rather that "the tsunami cost the lives of 55 people" be reworded as "the tsunami shortened the lives of 55 people"?
If something is $20 and I buy it with $100 bill, doesn't mean it cost me $100.
Now something like the zika virus which sterilized men several years ago dud cost lives. Lives that may of been made but can no longer.
That is the difference. Each death from smoking or a tsunami or a mass murderer costed years of potential life but didnt cost the whole life.
I think where the difference lies is that you are interpreting "cost X lives" to mean "cost X lifetimes of Human experience" while the interpretation I, and articles use is more like "cost X people their status of being alive"
That is not what costing something means. Cost is to lose something which you have, it does not mean to lose the potential to something you don't have. If an apple costs a dollar, it means you had that dollar, and now you don't. The impact of the apple was for the number of dollars you have to decrease by one. If you buy it with 100 dollars it obviously doesn't cost 100 dollars because you get 99 dollars back.
When talking about lives, we don't get them back. People have lives, and if something causes them to lose them, it means costs them a life.
If I own a car, then after ten years of owning and driving it, I trade it to buy something else, that thing still cost me a car. The amount of car I have does not decrease over time but through use. It's quality might, but the count does not care about quality. Same with life. People who are middle-aged do not only have half a life, they are still fully alive.