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X now treats the term cisgender as a slur (www.engadget.com)

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[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

I call myself cis male. What delicate fucking snowflakes.

EDIT: I want to provide some more information. I am a straight cis male. Straight is my sexual preference, cis gendered in my gender identity, and male is my biological sex as assigned at birth. I was first called cis male by a lesbian friend in a relationship with a trans-masculine lesbian (I think...s/he was a life long butch lesbian who began to transition socially after we met.) My friend described to me what cis meant and I said, "Ya, that describes me." I have a pair of trans women friends (one post-op and one who will never get the surgery.) I have a pair of gay friends, one who had always known that he was gay and one who was closeted his whole life, married, kids, and came out in his 50s. I had known him for 25 years and never thought about whether he was straight or gay. In my social circle, intellectual and liberal, it is handy to be able to let people know a bit about me in a few words. I've embraced "cis" because I don't think that I am superior because I am what I am. The people who are offended by being called "cis" are the ones who have sneered labels at others. I haven't done that. I also find it handy in social situations to be able to say I'm interested in straight or bi cis women.

I could not care less who you love, who you want to have sex with, how you present yourself, how you want to be addressed, etc. I have my preference but that's just me.

[–] casual_turtle_stew_enjoyer@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

I only ever call myself things like cisgender for the sake of argument, as it is the identity I was born into and lived with for many years before realizing I was agender.

I personally consider cisgender and cishet to be slurs solely because I've so largely seen it used in a derogatory context, the same way "white male" is used by certain bad actors to signal outrage

In all reality gender, sexual preference, race, ethnicity are all our of place in most civil discussion-- the majority of the time it is brought up is in discussion of identity politics. And if what we want as a society is equality, then identity should take a back seat to humanism.

Unfortunately, as I'm sure my comment score will no doubt soon reflect, a lot of people take issue with this notion of equality and, as I'm sure replies to my comments may end up reflecting, are ready to disagree and offer their own definitions of equality. It is therefore the duty of the reader to decide what equality means to them, unfortunately.

[–] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Cisgender is a descriptive term. If you have seen it in a derogatory context, then you should take issue with the context.

[–] casual_turtle_stew_enjoyer@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

And trans is also a descriptive term, right?

[–] hikaru755@feddit.de 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

...yeah, it is. What are you implying?

[–] casual_turtle_stew_enjoyer@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Cis and trans are both the same type of descriptor. If trans can be used as a slur, so can cis.

Not saying either are slurs by default. But they most certainly can be turned into ones.

[–] hikaru755@feddit.de 0 points 3 months ago

Maybe we should clarify what a slur is? Because to my knowledge, a slur is a term that has such negative connotations that it is considered offensive and discriminatory against a certain group of people in itself, without any additional context. You simply do not use it unless you want to insult or offend someone from that group. If a term is only offensive based on how it's used, it's just a regular insult, not a slur.

So, "can be used as a slur" is not a thing. A word is either a slur, or it isn't. Neither trans nor cis are slurs at the moment. I've never seen trans be used as an insult before. And even cis is almost never meant as a direct insult, merely as a reminder that someone is talking about things they have no lived experience with and should probably check their privilege. Yes, that can be in a demeaning way, but the goal there is not to hurt you, but to make you piss off. It's an act of self protection. Nobody is seeking cis people out and starting to call them names unless they insert themselves into trans spaces and start talking shit about trans issues. If you're doing that, and getting told off insults you or hurts your feelings, then, frankly, that's a you problem.

[–] thebrownhaze@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

So people should just accept what others call them?

[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The definition of cis is, "a person whose gender identity corresponds to their sex assigned at birth." Does you gender identity correspond to the sex you were assigned at birth? Mine does.

[–] thebrownhaze@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

What are the origins of the word "cis"?

[–] hikaru755@feddit.de 1 points 3 months ago

The prefix cis- is Latin and means on this side of.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisgender

Just as "trans-" means on the other side of. It's literally just the opposite of trans.

[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

The term cisgender has its origin in the Latin-derived prefix cis-, meaning 'on this side of', which is the opposite of trans-, meaning 'across from' or 'on the other side of'. This usage can be seen in the cis–trans distinction in chemistry, the cis and trans sides of the Golgi apparatus in cellular biology, the ancient Roman term Cisalpine Gaul (i.e. 'Gaul on this side of the Alps'), and Cisjordan (as distinguished from Transjordan). In cisgender, cis- describes the alignment of gender identity with assigned sex.

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

People made the same arguments about "heterosexual" and "straight", at least with the latter I could see why someone would see that as a slur (it's a term originates from animal farming), while "heterosexual" just describes someone is attracted to the opposite gender (go on, and use it as an "a ha!" moment against me by claiming it as a proof that even I know there's only two genders, like fundamentalists do with atheists saying "oh my god!"). "Cis" is just the opposite of "trans", even if Musk had the techbro-level idea of treating "cis" the same way most sensible people treat that "cool and funny" gamer word, he wants to say out loud in the public, like he used to do it in apartheid Africa.

[–] thebrownhaze@lemmy.world -2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

So, even if I don't like it, I have to accept being called that? My preferences don't matter?

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

What do you want to be called instead? Normal?

[–] thebrownhaze@lemmy.world -3 points 1 month ago

Not wrong is it

[–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

It's considered a slur when you call a person that who doesn't associate with the term. It's no different from going around calling straight people gay. Do we or do we not respect people's right to choose what they indentify as? It's not like you get automatically banned for using the term. Context matters.

This article also seems to conveniently ignore the fact that all the actual slurs are considered slurs on Twitter aswell. It's also an obviously and openly biased opinion article intented to provoke rage rather than objectional journalism.

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Considers role reversal.

So a world where trans people are in the majority and all the trans governors in the southern US are obsessing about how my cis ass takes a shit at work after my morning coffee?

[–] Hupf@feddit.de 0 points 4 months ago

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