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He was abducted by Hagrid when he turned 11 so that would place him maybe around the fifth or sixth grade.

I don't know if canonically there are math classes at Hogwarts.


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[–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 1 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I mean, there must be a reason why wizards are constantly perplexed by muggle technology.

[–] AFC1886VCC@reddthat.com 1 points 8 months ago

The series would have ended much sooner if Harry had brought an AK47 to hogwarts

[–] AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

And why goblins have to do their accounting for them.

[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I'm sure Hogwarts also covered general education stuff but that would be boring to us so they focused on the magic stuff. That's my theory though.

[–] CorrodedCranium@leminal.space 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Boring? This is the same universe where wizards canonically defecated in the streets and used fecal vanishing spells.

However, when Hogwarts’ plumbing became more elaborate in the eighteenth century (this was a rare instance of wizards copying Muggles, because hitherto they simply relieved themselves wherever they stood, and vanished the evidence), the entrance to the Chamber was threatened, being located on the site of a proposed bathroom.

https://www.wizardingworld.com/writing-by-jk-rowling/chamber-of-secrets

[–] GregorGizeh@lemmy.zip 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Im surprised that’s so controversial. I would expect wizards to do exactly that if it wasn’t for modern plumbing, I mean, people used to shit in pots and dump it out their window into the street in the morning. Or crap in a cold and smelly hole inside a basic wooden shed out in their yard.

If you have magic at that point why would you not instead delete it afterwards, considering the alternatives?

[–] CorrodedCranium@leminal.space 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Does vanishing feces mean it's deleted though or is it going to end up in the walls of buildings like Arby's wrappers left behind by construction workers?

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I think there's a throwaway line in a book that a wizard discovered vanishing things sent them to another dimension.

[–] Iapar@feddit.de 0 points 8 months ago

Imagine it landed in our dimension and people are trying to make sense of it.

"Honey, I think the dog shat on the chandelier..."

[–] beefcat@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

"Arithmancy" is their name for math classes and is mentioned several times throughout the books. It is one of Hermione's favorite subjects.

At one point, the real world evil witch that is JK Rowling suggested that Arithmancy is like dviniation, but with math, saying they use numbers to predict the future. I take this to mean that the wizarding community discovered calculus independently from the rest of the world and mistook it for a new form of magic.

[–] Microw@lemm.ee 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

In the games, arithmancy is portrayed as number puzzles that need to be solved.

[–] rwhitisissle@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

number puzzles that need to be solved.

In JK Rowling's mind the number puzzles are things like "How many genders are there?"

The correct answer, of course, is "Fuck you, JK Rowling, that's how many."

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

So crazy that a woman who liberally employed the Polyjuice Potion in her novels and had ghosts who would just wander through the restrooms to talk to you would take some of the most insanely conservative positions on changing your appearance or who should be allowed in the toilet.

[–] Numhold@feddit.de 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Remember when Hagrid assigned his dragon the wrong gender at hatching?

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Had to jog my memory, because I haven't read these books in nearly 20 years.

But yeah. I think the Rowling of the mid-90s was relatively chill and fairly progressive, given the tone of her writing. It wasn't until she got Disney-fied (or, I guess, Warner Brothers'd) that she took a turn. The novels really take a dive in book 5 and her political opinions just get nastier and nastier after that.

[–] Numhold@feddit.de 0 points 8 months ago

The Norberta reveal actually happens in Deathly Hallows. And frankly, I don‘t see a shift that is connected to the movies. What I actually observed was the overcompensation for criticism two books after the fact (remember Winky?) that Shaun described in his video essay.

[–] Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Please stop.

JK sees the continued support of her work as proof that her views are supported. She is doing active harm to people lives. I know it's common to say seperate the art from the artist, but that only applies to the dead. Rowling is alive and using her profits to write hateful proganda and restrict healthcare from an already marginalized group. I'm not ever going to tell someone what they can and can't read, just please recognize the harm it does by promoting her. It's the same as promoting the works of David Duke.

Thank you.

[–] Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Hello,

Thank you for your comment. That's one of our main threads, "On the sensitive topic of being a Harry Potter fan while acknowledging JKR's transphobia" https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/9633657, quoting https://www.popsugar.co.uk/entertainment/harry-potter-fans-jk-rowling-transphobia-essay-49214964

Still, there may be a way to enjoy Harry Potter as a trans person or ally. Over the years, many fans have found creative ways to engage with the series's magic while also acknowledging its creator's bigotry. In her paper "Transformative Readings: Harry Potter Fan Fiction, Trans/Queer Reader Response, and J. K. Rowling," Jennifer Duggan, an associate professor of English at the University of South-Eastern Norway — says that it's possible to interpret the text of Harry Potter itself in ways that would certainly horrify its writer. "My central thesis—one which has also been argued by other academics like Thomas Pugh and David Wallace — is that the Harry Potter novels are deeply queer," she tells POPSUGAR. "I mean this in both senses of the term: they champion nonnormativity through the contrast of the 'perfectly normal' Dursleys and Harry, and they are, at their heart, a story about a boy with an 'abnormality' (as the Dursleys call his magic) who comes out of his cupboard under the stairs and discovers and finds and affinity for a hidden, colourful, queer world. I take this argument further to argue that the novels are easily read through a trans lens, since there is a focus in many of the books on shapeshifting, including several cross-gendered transformations."

Fandom, she adds, can provide spaces where Harry Potter fans can explore the series's queer undercurrents while celebrating their own sexualities. "From what I have observed, I have concluded that for the most part, the Harry Potter fandom continues to offer queer and trans fans a positive space," she tells POPSUGAR. "The two main trends I have seen in fan works are an 'answer hate with love' reaction, in which fans focus on trans positivity, and so-called 'spitefic,' which are works that are framed as revenge on Rowling for the hurt she has caused. These works are usually trans-positive, too. That said, I fully understand why some fans feel they can no longer engage with the texts in any way."

Link to the research paper: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10583-021-09446-9

[–] Iapar@feddit.de 0 points 8 months ago

Plot twist: jk is a selfhating queer and her subconsciousness wrote Harry Potter to break free without disappointing her self hating parents.

[–] rifugee@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

To be fair, I suspect the average adult in real life probably only remembers, and uses, 5th grade math.

[–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I bet I couldn't help a 5th grader with their math homework.

[–] tryptaminev@feddit.de 0 points 8 months ago

can you add fractions?

[–] WastedJobe@feddit.de 0 points 8 months ago

Isn't arithmetic a class in Hogwarts and just a fancy word for maths (not a native speaker)? I think only Hermione takes it though and it's only mentioned in the books.

[–] AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I mean, the very existence of magic kind of nullifies the concept of math as a means to ascertain objective fact.

What good is 2+2 when 2 eyes of newt plus 2 legs of frog leads to random quantities of dancing forks with literally no respect as to the how because magic?

Math can't quantify a world where physical laws are replaced by literal nonsense, and if math could ultimately explain the mechanics of magic and predict the outcomes of its applications, the magic wouldn't be magic anymore, it would just be another great force of the universe like gravity or electromagnetism to be mapped by the scientific community.

[–] catonwheels@ttrpg.network 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Exactly what more than 5th grade math do you need in such world?

I think a lot of people forget what they learn in 5th grade math. You learn negative numbers. You learn unit conversion, fraction, prime, square roots.

Would more math help absolutely. Especially with the logic wizard seems to lack. But it is not like many people use higher level math today anyway.

[–] cows_are_underrated@feddit.de 0 points 8 months ago

What they lack is knowledge about volume and surface calculation. That is some stuff you definitely need in life. That wizards don't need analysis or Calculus is kinda obvious.