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To run alongside the discussion on the simplified Golden Rules for the instance, I decided to post a separate proposal for a single rule addition.

The proposed rule is: Off topic comments and downvote trolling to protest the use of genAI images is not permitted in our communities.


Edit2: The community feedback has been strongly positive, thanks for all your feedback. Notably, quite a few folks would like it to be more generic, to cater for future scenarios as well. So taking that into account, and adding the rationale for the change, I came up with:

To protect our communities, community members and mods from abuse: no comment trolling, dogpiling, or downvote trolling is allowed.

I hope that works for most folks, and please feel free to leave more comments if you can suggest an improved wording. I do read them all.


It would only apply to communities where GenAI art is not disallowed by the community rules, so mods can opt in or out.

Since the rule will likely attract some pushback from the anti-GenAI crowd, I wanted to run this proposal as a member vote to confirm we have broad support.

Exhibit 1 - dbzer0 Main Sidebar for context

Be Weird, Download a Car, Generate Art, Screw Copyrights

Communities about Anarchism, Generative AI, Copylefts, Neurodivergence, Filesharing, and Free Software.

Our instance has been associated with genAI art since its inception, because the founding admin, db0, has also spent years developing and maintaining FOSS Projects like AI Horde (a crowdsourced distributed cluster of image generation workers and text generation workers) and Haidra.

We have a number of popular genAI communities on our instance including:

Exhibit 2 - The Problem

This is the recent experience of one of our community mods:

"From the moment I started the [redacted] community here people have been brigading it trying to suppress it, and had I not had the sense to ban the droves of anti-AI trolls who come to downvote it into oblivion. They probably would be continuing to do so in insanely large volume. A lot of the users who come to downvote do so with empty no content accounts, but a lot are also trolls from the !fuck_AI@lemmy.world community. I’ve also received a fair amount of harassment including threats and bad faith accusations from it like people saying I’m a pedophile or saying I’m pretending to be nonbinary over the fact that I like and use genAI. Really awful behavior that has no place on this instance of this community."

This sort of thing is hateful and should not have to be tolerated by our users. Let's call it what it is: bullying and harassment.

Exhibit 3 - Escalating Problems

If you take look at this post from today in the lighthearted Lefty Memes community, it's a total shit show of offtopic comments. I'm not going to re-litigate the whole experience here since there is a YPTB post about it here.

This sort of brigading is completely unwarranted and I regard it as hostile bullying behaviour towards our community members and moderators. It completely derails the comments and goes way off topic for the community. Even after repeatedly asking these users to open a meta post about the issues they clearly wanted to talk about, instead of brigading the comments, I was mostly ignored and eventually pretty much gave up on trying to moderate the post.

Conclusion

In summary, as an admin on this instance I've noticed a significant uptick in the amount and volume of trolling in our communities by this group of users. I'd like to make sure we have this rule in place so that we can continue to effectively moderate the instance for the enjoyment of our community members, and to protect our moderators and admins from abuse.

Thank you for your consideration. If you have any suggestions to improve the rule, or thoughts on the topic you wish to share, then please do so in the comments.

Edit: for detailed voting information see this post. But in summary, please upvote if you support the rule addition or downvote if you are opposed.

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[–] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 3 days ago (3 children)

I think, and maybe I'm wrong, but it seems to me that

  • there are a lot of anti-genai users grinding axes
  • copyright is bad
  • liberals tend to support law enforcement (including copyright law)

BUT

  • I don't think banning anti-genai discourse is good

I know that's not the proposal. I just think it need to be explicitly stated

[–] MysticMushroom1776@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I don't think this is banning anti-genai discourse entirely, but the non-civil trolling those people do needs to go. Also a community like !stable_diffusion_art@lemmy.dbzer0.com, !share_anime_art@lemmy.dbzer0.com, or !leftymemes@lemmy.dbzer0.com really isn't the place to debate that shit at all. Also if people are going to try their hardest to fight those communities by making accounts to downvote posts and users in it non-stop they should be booted, that's brigading.

Also it's really only for communities which allow AI-gen content, ones which don't aren't subject to the change (within reason, aggressive trolls or people harassing others would still be banned since that's a no-no even now).

[–] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 days ago

I get it. but I just wanted to explain my minor reservation. I still upvoted the proposal.

[–] Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 days ago

100% agree.

[–] MysticMushroom1776@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm in favor of this change. This crowd of people are obviously entitled to their own opinions are objective fact and attack others who don't agree, or try to attack and suppress spaces which don't hold their beliefs. Hence the brigading. So I do believe we as an instance should take a stance against anti-AI trolling and the Anti-AI trolls that crawl Lemmy as aggressively as they do.

I vote to implement this change.

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If an opinion from an interested third party that uses db0 communities a good bit is useful, here's mine. If it isn't useful, feel free to delete it, or I'll be glad to do so myself so that it isn't clogging up the mod log.

I'm actually in favor of the inclusion of the expansion of the existing policy of the instance, pretty much because of what you said. It just gums up comment sections with no purpose beyond people screeching at each other (mostly, there are some good conversations mixed in). The imagine instance has always been very tech oriented, and as you said already, it's been inclusive of generative tools from the beginning.

What's being suggested is just a clarification of existing policy, it isn't a new rule, imo.

Fwiw, to hopefully avert any disagreements on the matter here, I don't personally have a strong opinion about the use of generative tools by individuals for the kind of purposes that happen on lemmy. I do in other contexts, but that's off topic.

Again, I don't have an account on db0, mainly because I didn't feel I could always comport myself in line with the general intent of the instance. I just visit the communities there, be it actively or passively as a lurker.

[–] chaoticnumber@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)
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[–] jet@hackertalks.com 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

I recommend a moderation bot for controversial communities that

  • bans accounts who only downvote in the community after some number of downvotes if that account is active
  • bans accounts immediately on downvote if they have zero post or comment activity over some window of time
  • bans accounts immediately if they downvote posts and all comments in the posts. That's a strong signal they really don't like the community
[–] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 days ago

I'd want multiple down votes to be the trigger, not a single down vote, and the result to be an alert to the mods/admins, not an automated ban

[–] Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That's an interesting idea if we could give it some conservative defaults to avoid false positives.

[–] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 days ago (2 children)

personally, I hate any automated bans. I think a human should be responsible for every ban.

the irony of insisting that a real human be involved, in this thread, is not lost on me.

[–] Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Yeah agree with you on that matey, just an auto-report would be fine so we can take a look.

[–] fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Mr /0 bot already does this, we just need to wake him up

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[–] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 days ago

I agree in other cases but with this not really. I hate having to manually go through and ban every no-content dipshit downvoting. It's why I stopped posting to my AI dragon community. Having a bot take care of the low hanging fruit automatically would easily reduce the burden and might make me more inclined to post there again. I'll obviously still have to take care of the ones the bot misses, but that's better than having to comb through every one of them to individually ban them one by one.

[–] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 days ago

I've suggested this before. I think this would be a very good solution to combat vote manipulation and brigading. I know some people would prefer it done manually but honestly doing it manually is kind of a chore. I'd rather have a bot take care of the lowest common denominator and take care of the rest that slip through manually.

This issue will likely also help with the problem by preventing drive by throwaways from making an impact.

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