Acknowledged governance topic opened by https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/u/flatworm7591

This is a simple majority vote. The current tally is as follows:

• For: (3), (2), (1), (5), (1), (1)
• Against:
• Local Community: +0.2
• Outsider sentiment: Positive
• Total: +12.2
• Percentage: 93.00%

This vote will complete in 6 days

Reminder that this is a pilot process and results of voting are not set in stone.

downvote trolling

I think this needs some clarification about what does and does not warrant mod actions.

Comments are free-form, so are easy to determine as off topic and unlikely to hit bystanders, but downvotes don't communicate intent.

Anecdotally I have come across a post in a sub I like, found it glaringly annoying/ugly/wrong etc. downvoted, then seen another one and actually gone into the sub to see if it is a wider trend and specifically downvoted a bunch of these.
Lemmy is a rating system, I think this behavior is acceptable.

I would draw the line at coming back repeatedly to keep "filtering" in this way, while not otherwise being active in the community and while not being subscribed to it. (Not that being subscribed is even visible)

Is it possible to tell apart a lurker superhumanly good at finding genai really ugly, from the 15 downvote bots of an anti-genai brigadier?

I don't really care about genAI or have any strong opinions but damn, that behavior is not okay at all... I really hope we go through with this change. I wouldn't want to see people like this continuing to behave in such a way here, makes it feel very unsafe or unwelcoming. God forbid I accidentally crosspost an AI meme from Reddit without knowing and get swarmed with hate and anger. That doesn't seem like something that should happen here, or anywhere at all really.

I agree with implementing this rule.

I'm nota stranger to holding wildly unpopular opinions. I'm an egoist, it's in my nature. Personally, I think genAI is dumb. Harassing and abusing people for liking something is unacceptable behavior, though. I've been noticing most of my comments have been vote brigaded recently, especially my comment shitting on Dessalines.

I vote yea.

I fully support the sentiment, but as others have noted, calling out genai specifically is a bit limiting.

I would potentially propose something more to protect our other comms at the same time that might potentially get brigaded; IE: piracy

"Off topic comments and downvote trolling to protest the spirit of our communities for contentious topics will not be permitted."

Just my thoughts. Cover butts here if a change is made anyway since many of the core vibes of db0 are fairly contentious to begin with.

Sounds like a good rule. Although maybe also having one or more community where arguing about AI is generally considered on topic, maybe similar idea to r/aiwars, would be good to avoid entirely shutting out that discussion.

I feel that this is already covered by the golden rules- namely "1. Don’t be shitty" and "6. When going to other communities, respect their and our rules" in the recent proposal.

The issue here is that certain comms affiliated with genai are being targeted by downvote brigades and trolls, yeah? I won't pretend to have the technical knowledge to provide a solution, but I would rather see efforts to generally combat that happening on /0, rather than carving out rules for targeted groups each time the issue arises.

To be clear, I'm not saying that genai users don't deserve a space where they can discuss their interest. I just don't think that carving out special protections is an actual solution to the problem.

Anti-GenAI users have plenty of platforms to share their views. Derailing discussions and brigading in other communities serves no purpose but to foster an adversarial relationship between communities.

I generally don’t like making a rule banning a viewpoint, but I don’t see what positive contribution that viewpoint adds in this specific context, especially when asserted so aggressively and off-topic.

Fully support this decision. People who don't like AI should block the communities or the instance. They shouldn't come here complaining about it and they certainly shouldn't harass or attack other users. The brigading is also really bad. I've certainly seen it happen in my communities already. I sort of gave up on one of them because of it. I'd love to see more enforcement against this behavior and less tolerance of it. People need to understand that communities have the right to exist independent of their own opinions.

I'm for it. Outside of s 1-3, I feel it just goes against golden rule one. Don't be shitty to each other.

I'm a car guy. I get that there is a fuckcars community and I respect their opinion. But if I modded a car community on an instance that was partially focused on downloading cars, I'd be pretty pissed if those folks started bashing on me and my friends just because I enjoy a hobby. It's pretty shitty behavior and if your goal is to make others feel shitty, you shouldn't be surprised when you feel shitty for receiving a ban.

Treat others how you want to be treated, or whatever.

I personally say Aye. I think it's basically fair to have our rules enforced and stop trolls trying to stir the pot.

If people want spaces without AI, that's every other instance. This is a space where it's tolerated. And then get mad we tolerate it.

Aye

I'm in favor of this change. This crowd of people are obviously entitled to their own opinions are objective fact and attack others who don't agree, or try to attack and suppress spaces which don't hold their beliefs. Hence the brigading. So I do believe we as an instance should take a stance against anti-AI trolling and the Anti-AI trolls that crawl Lemmy as aggressively as they do.

I vote to implement this change.

I think, and maybe I'm wrong, but it seems to me that

• there are a lot of anti-genai users grinding axes
• copyright is bad
• liberals tend to support law enforcement (including copyright law)

BUT

• I don't think banning anti-genai discourse is good

I know that's not the proposal. I just think it need to be explicitly stated

If an opinion from an interested third party that uses db0 communities a good bit is useful, here's mine. If it isn't useful, feel free to delete it, or I'll be glad to do so myself so that it isn't clogging up the mod log.

I'm actually in favor of the inclusion of the expansion of the existing policy of the instance, pretty much because of what you said. It just gums up comment sections with no purpose beyond people screeching at each other (mostly, there are some good conversations mixed in). The imagine instance has always been very tech oriented, and as you said already, it's been inclusive of generative tools from the beginning.

What's being suggested is just a clarification of existing policy, it isn't a new rule, imo.

Fwiw, to hopefully avert any disagreements on the matter here, I don't personally have a strong opinion about the use of generative tools by individuals for the kind of purposes that happen on lemmy. I do in other contexts, but that's off topic.

Again, I don't have an account on db0, mainly because I didn't feel I could always comport myself in line with the general intent of the instance. I just visit the communities there, be it actively or passively as a lurker.

I recommend a moderation bot for controversial communities that

• bans accounts who only downvote in the community after some number of downvotes if that account is active
• bans accounts immediately on downvote if they have zero post or comment activity over some window of time
• bans accounts immediately if they downvote posts and all comments in the posts. That's a strong signal they really don't like the community