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PSA: lemmy.dbzer0.com labels anyone who shows any dislike for AI as a "right-wing neoliberal" (lemmy.world)
submitted 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) by gofsckyourself@lemmy.world to c/fuck_ai@lemmy.world
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~~They will also delete any comments that complain about AI at all, even though there is no rule against it.~~

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After second look, that's not entirely true, but they definitely have a trigger finger for it and leave plenty of other "off-topic" comments.

Considering the amount of posts deleted, it should have just been locked instead of nuking comments with a negative view of AI

Here's the thread in the screenshot:
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/43426671/18476015

Also, here you can see other's seem to think this was an attempt to silence dissent (though, I don't think that this coming from drag is a great point for it):
https://lemmy.ca/post/43313594

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Just look at this completely insane comment from an instance admin:

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[–] 3dmvr@lemm.ee 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yeah its annoying, youd think piracy ppl would be anti ai generation since we grew up pirating adobe, autodesk, etc. programs, or at least I thoight that was common among pirates, I started with flash

[–] 3dmvr@lemm.ee 6 points 3 days ago (2 children)

new gen pirates just go for movies, tvshows, and games

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[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago (9 children)

This may be a mistake. But I'm going to make an attempt at good faith discussion.

I am 1000% anti bougie AI. And would be a proud Luddite, marching into the data centers with a hammer to smash the servers and power distribution. AI used to displace, exclude, or oppress people. Or AI that is a detriment to the environment. That is the problem.

Or is it this community stance that all AI regardless of what it is or what it does is somehow bad. Say if you could run your own natural language AI assistant efficiently on a piece of hardware that you own. To help you stay organized or assist with simple verbal tasks. Is that also bad? Because otherwise everything @Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com said seems pretty reasonable.

[–] WeirdWriter@caneandable.social 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

@Eldritch More than one way to be a luddite https://sightlessscribbles.com/posts/6593/

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

Not in the historical sense. When I use it, I mean it in the sense of the actual luddites. Who are not against automation, machine, or the automated looms they smashed. They were against the wealthy using tools to steal their livelihood from them and cut them out. In that sense this modern day machine learning stuff is exactly analogous. And that is the reference from which my usage should be understood.

The meaning of things absolutely can change over time with culture. And indeed the wealthy have tried to redefine and portray the luddites as simply being anti-technology and not anti-wealthy. Which they were not

Also know. My acceptance of machine learning/ai is not an Embrace of or defense of tech bros crypto bros or any other sort of bros. If it's not clear already I think those people should not exist and my general position in response to them while it may be reactionary is a solid fuck the AI bros. Fuck they're unethical harvesting and trying to use it against us. They 100% are problematic and should not be a part of this equation. We as a society should never have left such a class of people exist in the first place.

[–] gofsckyourself@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago (6 children)

Here's my response to their points:

  1. That's an opinion, not a fact. And while I agree that in many circumstances there are plenty of reactionary responses, it does not get anywhere close to 100%.
  2. Irrelevant to the point.
  3. You're conflating an "anti-AI movement" with just not liking AI.
  4. I never made any claims about banning AI or even fighting against it, really. Not sure why you're ascribing that to me, and it doesn't provide any argument to the main claim that "disliking AI is always from right-wing capitalism".
  5. While I get your overall point here and mostly agree that AI is 'just a tool', the rest of your point is based on banning, which is not part of the discussion. Also, it's a pretty false equivalent argument, but I assume you're not expecting it to be a 1:1 comparison, just trying to make the point that it's just a tool and should not be labeled as inherently bad.
  6. Once again, you're conflating an "anti-AI movement" with just not liking AI. I don't know if there' some big coordinated "anti-AI movement" that makes that argument in particular and I've somehow never heard of it or seen any evidence of, but it seems to me you've created a fake, absurd strawman.
  7. That's great and helps obviate one of my main issues with AI.

In total, you've made zero arguments for the logic that any sentiment of disliking AI should be met with hostility and all comes from a source of “right-wing liberals”. All I see is unfounded attempts of vilifying people who simply disagree with you by shoving a label onto them.

Personally, I can see some use for AI in very specific cases, and it still needs to be babied and the result double checked. But yeah, AI being mostly controlled by big corporations is a major part of the AI problem.

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[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 days ago

TIL even the right-wing neoliberals hate AI.

[–] Squorlple@lemmy.world -3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Thank you for the validation. I’ve been really depressed lately with all the problems I’ve had with my government and my workplace dumping me and just everything else, and the hostility I had been getting from some sides of Lemmy was really exacerbating things. I also want to reiterate my point that some Lemmings don’t get which is that propaganda is still propaganda even if the views and message are both morally correct; it was the use of AI as an imitation of an honest human messenger that I considered “disinfo” or at the very least disingenuous. A lot of other Lemmings also thought my gripe was singularly with how AI art steals (“pirates” as one critic put it) from human artists to make its images, which is not the particular condemnation I was making in that case. Again, I really appreciate the support.

[–] gofsckyourself@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I do think the comment was somewhat instigative, but I don't agree with how it was handled. I think it was an overreaction and that admin's behavior elsewhere gives that a significant amount of validation.

[–] Squorlple@lemmy.world -4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The db0 post was a crosspost that itself was a Reddit mirror, and upon further investigation that Reddit post was also a crosspost with the Reddit watermark and the profile silhouette already overlaid on it. The db0 admin was several layers removed from involvement with its creation (and probably several more layers than we can directly deduce), and they had not yet acknowledged that it was AI generated. They had a hand in spreading disingenuousness in the fediverse, knowingly or unknowingly, which was the contradiction with their other mod role that I was pointing out. You can’t be both anti-disinfo and pro-AI as a conduit for messaging in media (unless you at the absolute very least include a disclosure about usage of the latter).

[–] gofsckyourself@lemmy.world -1 points 3 days ago

I don't disagree with you, but more importantly I don't think that being a little bit instigative should be met with the treatment you received.

[–] BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca -1 points 3 days ago

Wow that's silly of them, they can as well add the label Luddite.

I use AI at work and it does an mediocre/acceptable job when I find the right prompt.

The technology is still in its infancy and we still need to spend decades learning how to get something out of it.

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