The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.
99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.
When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.
When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."
When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.
Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.
The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.
All this is a path to a police state.
In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.
Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.
That's the solution.
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Our definition of ‘cops’ is broad, and includes prison guards, probation officers, shitty DAs and judges, etc — anyone who has the authority to fuck over people’s lives, with minimal or no oversight.
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ALLIES
• r/ACAB
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INFO
• A demonstrator's guide to understanding riot munitions
• Cops aren't supposed to be smart
• Killings by law enforcement in Canada
• Killings by law enforcement in the United Kingdom
• Killings by law enforcement in the United States
• Know your rights: Filming the police
• Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)
• Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.
• Police lie under oath, a lot
• Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak
• Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street
• Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States
• When the police knock on your door
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ORGANIZATIONS
• NAACP
• National Police Accountability Project
• Vera: Ending Mass Incarceration
A lot of people commenting clearly did not read the article.
There are a lot of problems with this operation, but let's keep it within the facts.
five days or less and the administration will be claiming this entire family were gang members; we'll be looking at photoshopped tattoos in no time.
Those hello kitty tattoos are a sure sign of Yakuza affiliation.
many people are saying it..
Clearly members of the Kawaii Mafia.
I heard they were PG-13
The president's private militias systematically terrorize the working class. There's nothing left. We'll find out the full extent of what they've done once the regime collapses under its own weight. If these are the stories getting out, what ones haven't gotten out yet.
Who gave them an incorrect warrant? What was it for? What's the point of listing names on a warrant if you ignore them? Why is every department claiming they weren't involved? Why were they collecting evidence from people not involved or listed on the warrant?
What exactly are any of us supposed to do if this happens?
I am armed. The first ICE agent to knock on my door doesn't go home. And we roll from there. Fuck this.
I'm armed too, but I think you would probably end the day in a bag, maybe a metal locker with a long pull-out shelf.
Ice are trained like russian mobiks and your home is a forteress. You can probs surrender to swat and get away scot free. If things are too bad you can always plead 2nd amendment.
Rather go down swinging than get disappeared to Venezuela.
From a German point of view, ICE came out of nowhere.
After checking, i figured that they exist for quite a while, but they never had the "authority" and "power" they like to show off nowadays. These were things Trump gave them.
They seem pretty much unhinged.
Are they even trained for the things they are doing or is it more comparable to trump giving a mediocre security agency and it's mostly scummy staff the power to do what they want?
ICE training is famously brief. They are not trained in laws or legal structures. They are effectively federal local cops, if that makes sense (it probably doesn't since you're German, so let me try to explain it a different way)
In the United States many police departments prefer police officers without college education or strong critical thinking skills. ICE is one of them. ICE officer agents are selected for their tendency towards violence and a willingness to execute orders without fail or question. The goal is for them to simply not be able to incriminate themselves in a court of law by way of they simply didn't know the law. The further goal is that when the right circumstances arrive they'll just follow orders with a near mad sense of duty without any form of ethics getting in the way of stopping them.
To really drive home for you who ICE is, as a German. ICE is a bunch of Adolf Eichmanns all running around with big high capacity guns and zip ties
That's exactly the impression i had.
The goal is for them to simply not be able to incriminate themselves in a court of law by way of they simply didn’t know the law.
Ignorance of the law is not a defense unless you are enforcing the law.
Classic rules for thee but not for me type shit
Moreover every time they do these hiring pushes they end up with handfuls of cartel members that just open gates to their friends, help with murder so on and so forth. They made it so much easier to get in now that they lowered hiring standards and reduced background checks.
I am a millennial, and I am older than ICE, and credit scores - for what that's worth. edit: not all credit scores, just the way we understand them now, thank you for the correction!
Credit scores have been around since the '50s. Maybe you're thinking of what is specifically the FICO score.
yea, I think you must be right. thank you for the correction. I'm not that old quite yet, just feeling that way.
You and me both.
credit scores have been around a long time. it just used to be secret bullshit, not something you can literally track in realtime yourself like today. (it's still mostly secret bullshit, they just let you see a 'score' now).
you're right! thank you : )
A relatively unbiased answer to your questions:
FACTS
ICE does not distinguish much between applicants who have completed high school and applicants with college education. Like the US military, most applicants do not have college degrees.
The lengthy application process and rigorous training historically rejects over 70% of prospective agents.
Training is at an academy with mandatory residence requirements. It’s 40 hours a week for 18 weeks and includes physical fitness, Spanish language, defensive maneuvers, de-escalation techniques, extensive federal law, weapon skills, and cultural training. There are several exams, and many new hires don’t complete training. Everyone has to be pepper-sprayed in order to understand how serious it is, and it is emphasized that use of force is always a last resort.
After graduation, new ICE agents serve a one year probationary period while being paired with a seasoned agent, for a more effective means of training.
OPINION
There is a hierarchy within federal law enforcement agencies; generally speaking, ICE agents are the least respected. The recent behavior of ICE agents is absolutely a reflection of the Trump administration.
https://www.ice.gov/doclib/about/offices/ero/pdf/ice_d_handbook.pdf
Thanks for the PDF.
I guess, things like cultural training and de-escalation techniques will soon be replaced with cult training and escalation techniques, respectively.
When i was 10 and home alone, i found pepper spray in my moms bag. I understood right there how serious it is. I did what any 10 year old kid would do, but luckily didn't spray it straight in my face. I sprayed it around like an air refresher and the moment i got some sprinkles on my face, in my eyes, i knew i fucked up.
Next they’ll be quartering soldiers in your house. Not because they need to, just because they’re trying to make sure they knock out the entire bill of rights within a year.
So, all I need to rob whoever I want is to get some men, some guns, some lore ipsum warrants, and call myself ice.
I almost hope this is what that was... it would make a bit less horrible. Not by much tho.
Fucking gICEtapo at it again.
At this point, shooting them on sight is justifiable
Stazi fucks.
Its like a federal version of the shield.