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[–] mycodesucks@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago
[–] retrospectology@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

Simplistic philosophy for simplistic minds.

It's not a trolley problem, and even if it were the consequences of greenlighting democratic support for genocide are not fully represented appropriately in this image.

[–] Mojave@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)
[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

It's close enough to the tracks that it would hurt the hostages, and the wreckage would probably have enough momentum to hit them anyway.

This is a good analogy actually. Blowing up the train would feel good, but that isn't going to stop the momentum, and it's unfortunately virtually impossible to outright stop it's momentum at this point. All that blowing up the train would accomplish is sending fiery wreckage towards the middle track.

This is why accelerationism is stupid.

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[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 1 points 5 months ago (2 children)
[–] Aqarius@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

Funny thing is, that's what's called a controlled derailment. It's the engineering answer to the situatuon, if the situation were real and not a contrived philosophical dilemma.

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[–] BadlyTimedLuck@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (5 children)

Guys, I don't know what's going on in the world and their wars. I just want a president who isn't abhorently evil. Do we have to revolutionize to find that 3rd option orrr?

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I assume your "abhorently evil" comment is based off support of the genocide in Palestine (which is a completely reasonable thing to describe as abhorently evil, I'm just being clear about my premise).

In which case, sorry, bad news, you can't have that. Your options this time round are genocide supporter or genocide supporter. Somewhere down the line, years from now, the US electoral system may have been sufficiently reformed to make third parties viable. But this year that's not going to happen.

So that decision is completely out of your hands. But here's what you do get to decide; you can have an outright fascist, leading a party of outright fascists who have openly publicised their plans to turn your country into a fascist theocracy. Or you can have the guys who strengthened workers rights and went after major companies for union busting, hit Microsoft for $20 billion in back taxes, had the FBI raid a major landlord for illegal price hikes, brought antitrust lawsuits against Amazon and several other large tech firms, and secured billions in aid for Ukraine in their fight for their freedom. And that is literally just a tiny sampling of the good things that Biden's government has done.

I don't even see how that's a choice. One of these two options is clearly and manifestly better than the other, no matter how disgusting it feels. A vote for Biden is not an endorsement of his position on Gaza. It is a tactical choice, nothing more. And if nothing else, its a tactical choice that will prevent the fascists from filling even more seats on the supreme court.

It sucks, but those are the only options. Sometimes life just be like that.

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[–] specters@lemmy.ml 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

stop the trolley, dumb fucks 😂

[–] neeeeDanke@feddit.de 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

If you were sitting at the controls that would be an option, but allas we are all just part of those doing a tug of (less or more) war for the switch

[–] specters@lemmy.ml 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You advocate for blowing up the trolley. Okay, what have YOU done to further this idea?

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[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 0 points 5 months ago

Modern Leftism: Standing off to the side and doing nothing while watching a trolley plow through a crowd of people and then laying down judgment on the people that are actually doing something to save as many people as possible.

[–] Phegan@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (8 children)

The problem is that we have two choices, and we will never not have two choices unless we do something about it. I can both say that Joe Biden sucks and we should do better and also vote for him because the other option is worse. This discourse that makes it seem like any criticism of Biden is pro trump is how we will end up in a slightly less terrible place. Cool. Really looking forward to that.

Also like what the fuck...I guess we have to kill Palestinians no matter what.

There is a third fucking option and it's not doing a genocide.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

The problem is that we have two choices

The problem is that we don't. If you're not in a "swing" state, all the votes in the world for Joe Biden are meaningless. Win California by another million votes. Win it by another 10M. Have every single eligible voter in California turn up and vote for Joe Biden. He still loses the EC when the SCOTUS tells Arizona to stop counting ballots the minute Trump is in the lead.

Also like what the fuck…I guess we have to kill Palestinians no matter what.

We have to keep sending money to Israel because its the means by which we control the Suez Canal.

Except... the Houthis have control over the back end of the canal so long as they're able to scare off shipping in the Gulf of Adan. So now we're endorsing a genocide just for shits and giggles.

[–] pachrist@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

It's almost like two organizations have totally monopolized US politics. It's a billion dollar industry, and they'd both rather alternate losing to each other and keep their seat at the table than let anyone else play the game.

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[–] AFC1886VCC@reddthat.com 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

How do you get electoral reform if you keep voting for the two major parties that both benefit from it and want to keep it?

[–] nBodyProblem@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I’d generally agree, but the problem is that this particular instance is much higher stakes than most elections.

Generally speaking, the worst case scenario would be someone like John McCain taking the reins instead of Obama. I didn’t agree with McCain about a lot of things but he was a generally honorable guy who wanted to do the best for American democracy.

Now we have a group who is polling to win and outright saying “America needs a dictatorship”. If they get their way, it could be the last election we ever have.

[–] 100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That's how bad the situation is: McCain is an example of someone who wanted to do the best for American democracy.

[–] theonyltruemupf@feddit.de 0 points 5 months ago

McCain was a conservative and I don't agree with his policies but compared to today's Republican Party, he was a knight in shining armor. He spoke and acted in good faith, at least.

[–] qwet@lemm.ee 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That bottom track should a circle or cliff to demonstrate it goes nowhere.

[–] neeeeDanke@feddit.de 0 points 5 months ago

Why? It would be the best option. If it was an option...

[–] blazera@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Thats crazy how every government only has two parties

[–] djsoren19@yiffit.net 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

If your point is that the American system is fucked, we all know. We've known for decades. We're trying to fix it, but progress is basically nonexistent, because every politician who is currently elected benefits from our fucked system. Trying to get to a parliamentary system, like most developed real democracies, is almost entirely out of reach. Just getting ranked choice voting is like pulling teeth, and we'll have to create a brand new party to have politicians free from corporate interests.

I will have to fight all my life to enact positive change in this country, all because a bunch of rich white assholes who came to power long before I was born have stolen my future from me. Don't belittle us, mourn for us and never, ever repeat our mistakes.

[–] blazera@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

We’re trying to fix it

every politician who is currently elected benefits from our fucked system.

Wild how electing politicians that benefit from the system hasnt fixed the system yet.

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Please refrain from speaking on topics that you have no understsnding of

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[–] blazera@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

damn and every government got that?

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[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Fun fact. You don't get the bottom track without demanding it. You end up on the middle track if you negotiate on human rights.

[–] go_go_gadget@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Yup. You also get the middle track when you show up to the 2020 primaries and think to yourself "I'm gonna vote for a geriatric procorporate establishment white man. This is the best decision for me and everyone else will have to accept it because the alternative is Trump."

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[–] go_go_gadget@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Lol neoliberals are stroking themselves about how clever this is and just out of view there was another choice back in 2020.

But they like to ignore the fact they voted for a geriatric, procorporate genocide supporting candidates in the 2020 primaries.

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[–] SnerkRabbledauber@lemmy.today 0 points 5 months ago (3 children)

If that third track were an option the trolley problem would never have existed. If there really is a third track in the real-life situation, then the trolley problem is not a good analogy of that problem.

Sadly, in this election there is no third track and we are forced into choosing the lesser of two evils.

If you want a third track, push for ranked choice voting!

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