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[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Germany: "NEIN IMMIGRANTS, NO MORE!"

Also Germany: "Why can't we replace the workers of our aging population?! Where did we go wrong?"

EDIT: Btw these aren't children, it's university students older than 21.

[–] exocortex@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

In this case it's a giant housing shortage though. The city (and large surrounding area) is Freiburg in the south. Rents are so expensive and available flats are so rare that companies don't find workers who could actually live there. Also: the comparably good loans don't mean much when it's only channeled into a greedy landlord's pockets.

Edit: oh no i was wrong it's Nuremberg - their public transport organization is also "VAG". But Freiburg has a huge labor shortage due to unaffordable housing and housing shortage.

[–] ElmarsonTheThird@feddit.de 0 points 5 months ago

It's practically the same. Nürnberg has a joined University with it's neighbouring city, Erlangen. Erlangen has the highest rent per square meter (if you're not eligible for student housing). It's high prices for the whole region, because the Nürnberg-Erlangen metro region is the biggest population, business and cultural center in the north of Bavaria.

[–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Immigration isn't a the cause of all our problems. But it also isn't the solution to all our problems.

[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Idk I feel like having more working people would solve not having enough working people.

[–] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yes but Germans are racist, despite their PR push to be seen as the most progressive, liberal people, they're actually pretty backwards

[–] klisklas@feddit.de 0 points 5 months ago

Don't know why you are getting downvoted, at least this comment is spot on. Best regards, a German.

[–] Neato@ttrpg.network 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Fucking hell. PAY PEOPLE MORE you cheap shits.

[–] redfox@infosec.pub 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I didn't see pay listed in the article.

How else do we explain worker shortage? Where did all the people go? Rapture?

On the other side, what better way for a social worker to see real issues and people while studying?

It has to pay well enough for students to be willing to distract from studying.

[–] Humanius@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

If the situation in Germany is anything like the Netherlands, it legit is just a shortage of workers outright.

There are more job vacancies than people to fill those vacancies, so you end up with a shortage of workers.
Making tram driving more attractive by paying them more would draw employees away from other industries, who also need people to do the work.

Not saying tram drivers shouldn't be paid more, but if the situation in this German city is anything like what we are dealing with here in the NL, then paying people more is not going to solve the issue. Only solution is to either decrease the number of open positions (which usually only happens in a recession, which is not great), or to increase the number of people who can do the work (for example through immigration)


Edit: A possible solution specifically in the case of trams could be automation (self-driving trams), which would relax the overall demand for workers.
There are already transportation system without drivers that have been operating since the 80s (e.g. the London DLR)

It's probably a bit more tricky in mixed traffic, but since trams are on predictable rails it would be easier than automating cars.

[–] Turun@feddit.de 0 points 5 months ago

For what it's worth 2 out of 3 subway lines are already fully automated. They started in 2008.

Trams have the same issues as self driving cars though: you need to 100% reliably detect people in front of the carriage. And you can easily find tests with Teslas which just run over a child sized doll because they didn't detect it properly. The tech is just not there yet.

[–] toffi@feddit.de 0 points 5 months ago

Pay for tram operators here in Germany isn't that bad actually. Yes could definitely be more, but we've a general worker shortage here so that plays a lot into it.