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Opinion: Think that next refresh is going to get better? The first step to freedom is admitting there's a problem

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[–] MrsDoyle@sh.itjust.works 3 points 20 hours ago

Windows is doing its best to shake me off. It keeps reminding me that it's ditching Win 10 and I'd better upgrade. Except I won't, because my (perfectly good) computer isn't up to spec for 11. So in effect it's telling me that I'd better hurry up and decide on a Linux distro, tick tock.

[–] sylver_dragon@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's interesting to see something as mainstream as The Register seriously suggest folks start ditching Windows and their preferred alternative seems to be Linux. Perhaps the year of the Linux Desktop won't forever be "next year".

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -3 points 1 day ago

Does it matter though? Just use what you want to use.

[–] MudMan@fedia.io 20 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Windows 11 isn't even on the top 3 worst iterations of Windows.

I think MS shot itself in the foot by doing the whole "we'll just iterate on this one forever" pivot to data gathering thing. At least in the good old days of Windows Me they could point at the next refresh as a clean break, even if it wasn't.

I ran Windows Me for maybe a year, by the way. Mostly out of morbid curiosity. It wasn't even that bad, as I remember it.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Windows 11 isn't even on the top 3 worst iterations of Windows.

In terms of spyware and enshittification it sure as Hell is!

And that's the measure that matters here: not mistakes, but deliberate abuse of the user.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Windows 10 is also a privacy nightmare and also has Edge, One drive and ads.

Windows 11 has some nice features and you can use Group Policy to clean it up a bit.

[–] MudMan@fedia.io 1 points 1 day ago

This is very true. There is a very weird endorsement from the Linux community of Windows 10 I do not align with at all. It's basically the exact same thing.

Especially since a lot of the less palatable features have been patched in backwards fairly dilligently. I use both routinely and there is little functional difference.

[–] MudMan@fedia.io 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Speak for yourself. I'd rather take spyware and enshittification than whatever Windows 8 was.

I can get rid of the spyware and I was never going to use copilot anyway. Vista was Vista all the way through.

[–] vapeloki@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

At this point, Windows itself is the Spyware. Forced cloud Accounts, AI Features embedded so deeply into the windows core that you can not longer remove it.

The only intro get rid of it is installing Linux or buying a mac

[–] MudMan@fedia.io 1 points 1 day ago

A Mac? To avoid "forced cloud accounts and embedded AI features"?

MS is out here pointing at Apple and going "I learned it from you, dad!" when it comes to those.

[–] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

ME was the last version of windows with a true DOS mode with native network support. That was a big deal for LAN gamers at the time

[–] MudMan@fedia.io 1 points 1 day ago

Look, I was moving over from 98 and had been messing with 2000. When it came to choosing between constant blue screens or zero software compatibility it was a three way tie.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Shocking to see a person always defending windows and hating Linux saying this. Shocking!

[–] Tiger@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I’m paying Microsoft $9 a month for something and I can’t find out what and can’t cancel it. I’m going to have to nuke my credit card to get it to stop and I don’t even know if that’ll work.

[–] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

sounds like a forgotten minecraft realms host

[–] Tiger@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago

Oh shit that’s helpful thank you, might be Minecraft I tried to introduce to my kid years ago or something like that? I’ll check thank you

[–] realcaseyrollins@narwhal.city 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's literally an operating system

[–] wendigo@lemmy.ca 2 points 23 hours ago

yeah… you can hate it all you want but it is still an OS

[–] magic_lobster_party@fedia.io 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Windows might be a habit, but Microsoft is doing a pretty good job in breaking this habit. Many rather jump ship than make the move to Windows 11.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago

Windows 11 is better than Windows 10 from my experience

It has lots of Microsoft induced pain but it also has a Terminal and good support for modern stuff.

[–] the_swagmaster@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago

Given the number of windows machines that exist, isn't it already an addiction?

[–] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world -5 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Ok then you linux nerds should put together a drop in replacement distro that grannies can use

Until then you will always be hobbyists

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 2 points 19 hours ago

I used to put Linux Lite on old, crappy laptops and sell them to little old ladies. All you have to do is show them how to get on the internet.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

What's wrong with it being for "hobbyists?"

It is great for anyone who wants to actual have control over there own computing. It isn't and never was for "grannies"

[–] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world -2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Until you can get the grannies to adopt, linux will always be a novelty for desktops

That's the point I was trying to make

And in true linux fanatic fashion, you are incapable of understanding just how terrible a product linux in general is

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

By that logic it will always be a novelty

The thing is, the real Linux user base isn't granny. It is the users who are interested in computers or computer related things. Linux isn't for everybody but it isn't a novelty either. Being a novelty would mean it is has no functional value which isn't the case as it does have some market share.

Also there is no reason granny can't be a computer nerd

[–] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The 'real' linux user should be everyone, that's the point

[–] BussyGyatt 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

maybe the real linux was in our hearts all along

[–] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Maybe the real market leader desktop OS is one you don't need to spend a quarter of all your waking hours learning how to maintenance.

[–] BussyGyatt 1 points 21 hours ago

no, im pretty sure it was the friends we made along the way. good guess though

[–] naeap@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Like Mint?
Although there are probably some better ones specially for old people.

But Linux is usually pretty easy for old people, as not much needs to be done after setting it up and it just keeps running.

[–] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Mint as easy as it is is not a drop in replacement

[–] vapeloki@lemmy.world 0 points 23 hours ago

So, where is the issue?

I installed Fedora a few years back on a PC of an 70 yest old woman. Reason: EOL of windows 7.

Last week I visited her. Fedora is up2date, no issues, und besides the initial guided tour I did not provide any support.

So, apparently, we HAVE already those distributions. So:

what is your point?

[–] Suoko@feddit.it 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

ChromeOS preferred young students to grannies actually. 😌

[–] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Generous to call that an OS

[–] Suoko@feddit.it 1 points 1 day ago

Mind the upcoming Snapdragon Chromebooks...