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If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

(Credit and/or blame to David Gerard for starting this.)

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[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 5 points 1 day ago

as a thing both parallel and tangent to usual sneerjects, this semafor article is kinda notable

I'll try gather previous dm sneers here later, but some things that stood out:

  • the author writes about groupchats in the most goddamn abstract way possible, as though they're immensely surprised
  • the subject matter acts as hard confirmation/evidence of observed lockstep over the last few years by so many of the worst fucker around
  • the author then later goes "oh yeah but no I've actually done this and been burned by it" so I'm just left thinking "skill issue" (and while I say that curtly, I will readily be among the first people to get extremely vocal about the ways a lot of this tech falls short in purpose sometime)
[–] zbyte64@awful.systems 9 points 2 days ago (2 children)
[–] swlabr@awful.systems 10 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Blergh. Just fucking fund public transport and don’t use AI. Easy wins on traffic and efficiency.

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[–] scruiser@awful.systems 6 points 2 days ago

~~The predictions of slopworld 2035 are coming true!~~

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 14 points 2 days ago (2 children)
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[–] swlabr@awful.systems 11 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Aw man, Natasha Lyonne is going AI. Notably she is partnering with a company, Moonvalley, that claims to have developed an “ethical” model, Marey, trained on “clean” data- i.e. data that is owned or licensed by Moonvalley and whoever else they are partnering with.

[–] fullsquare@awful.systems 7 points 1 day ago

ah yes the 937 partners of this website and their legitimate interest to scan and own your thoughts forever

i don't expect literally this but there's some potential hidden sleaziness inside

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

And thus Poker Face joins Sandman in the "no longer interested in Season 2" pile, but for different reasons.

The plot of Uncanny Valley centers on “a teenage girl who becomes unmoored by a hugely popular AR video game in a parallel present.”

So, Tron again, then. But with goggles this time.

[–] YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I mean I appreciate the attempt to mitigate one of the many problems with genAI, but I would expect the smaller dataset to make a model that confabulates even more and is gonna be even harder to work with than something like Sora. Like, I'm sure a decent director will be able to make something with it but I can't see how it's going to be better results or more time/money/labor efficient than human VFX pipelines even if you pay the poor bastards decently.

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 7 points 2 days ago

That and also: training and running a model still takes a ton of energy! LLMs will never be ethical.

[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 11 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

In terms of depreciating assets, an AI data center is worse than a boat.

[–] V0ldek@awful.systems 5 points 1 day ago

In terms of sailing the high seas, an AI data center is worse than a boat too.

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

In terms of actually being useful, an AI data center is also worse than a boat.

[–] fullsquare@awful.systems 8 points 2 days ago

AI data centers brought some ratty bloggers into their five minutes of fame, while a boat only brought Ziz &co from Alaska to SFBA

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 19 points 3 days ago (2 children)

the shunning is working guys

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 17 points 2 days ago

"Kicked out of a ... group chat" is a peculiar definition of "offline consequences".

[–] YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems 17 points 3 days ago (1 children)

"The first time I ever suffered offline consequences for a social media post"- Hey Gang, I think I found the problem!

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I have no idea where he stood on the bullshit bad faith free speech debate from the past decade, but this would be funny if he was an anti cancel culture guy. More things, weird bubble he lives in if the other things didn't get pushed back, and support for the pro trans (and pro Palestine) movements. He is right on the immigration bit however, the dems should move more left on the subject. Also 'Blutarsky' and I worried my references are dated, that is older than I am.

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 8 points 2 days ago (3 children)

he's a centrist econ blogger who's been getting into light race science

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 4 points 1 day ago

yeah I tried looking up his writings on the subject but substack was down. Counted that as a win and stopped looking.

[–] bitofhope@awful.systems 11 points 2 days ago

I'm a centrist. I think we should aim for the halfway point between basic human decency and hateful cruelty. I'm also willing to move towards the hateful cruelty to appease the right, because I'm a moderate.

[–] mountainriver@awful.systems 7 points 2 days ago

And he is brave enough to say that:

  • There is a sensible compromise somewhere between the Biden/Harris immigration bill that would have got rid of due process for suspected illegal immigrants and the Trump policy of just throwing dark people into vans for shipment to slave labour camps.

  • Genocide is just sensible bipartisanship.

  • Trans people are not people.

Much centrist, much sensible. Much surprise he is getting into race science. It the centre (defined as the middle ground of Attila and Mussolini) moves, the principled centrist must move with it.

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 13 points 3 days ago (3 children)
[–] swlabr@awful.systems 8 points 2 days ago

Oh hey just in time to let my subscription lapse.

[–] mountainriver@awful.systems 8 points 2 days ago (3 children)

My kids use Duolingo for extra training of languages they are learning in school, so this crapification hits close to home.

Any tips on current non-crap resources? Since they learn the rules and structure in school it's the repetition of usage in a fun way that I am aiming for.

[–] aio@awful.systems 6 points 2 days ago

I've been using Anki, it works great but requires you to supply the discipline and willingness to learn yourself, which might not be possible for kids.

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 6 points 2 days ago

no idea, sorry. “find some wordpals online” maybe but then you need to also deal with the vetting/safety issue

it’s just so fucking frustrating

[–] raoul@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I find Duolingo to be of low quality.

I like Babbel. It's not free and they have a relatively limited number of languages but I find the quality really good (at least for French -> Deutsch).

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 8 points 2 days ago

Unfortunately, Babbel has slop integration too.

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 6 points 3 days ago (2 children)

after I've previously posted this and this, an update: both the memrise browser version and the iOS app now have "chat to a buddy" as a non-skipable step in course iteration

the "buddy" is a chatbot of unclear provenance. this page mentions "MemBot - powered by AI" at the top, which is a link to this zendesk page, but that's a dead link

[–] sailor_sega_saturn@awful.systems 11 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Along the same lines of LLMs ruining language stuff: I just learned the acronym MTPE (Machine Translation Post Edit) in the context of excuses to pay translators less and thanks I hate it.

Can't avoid slop reading translated books, can't learn the source language without dodging slop in learning tools left and right. It's the microplastics of the internet age.

Anyway my duolingo account is no more, I have better resources for learning German anyway.

[–] mii@awful.systems 13 points 2 days ago

Along the same lines of LLMs ruining language stuff: I just learned the acronym MTPE (Machine Translation Post Edit) in the context of excuses to pay translators less and thanks I hate it.

Not-so-fun fact: that's a marketing term for what amounts to basically a scam to pay people less.

I used to work for a large translation company when this first came up. Admittedly, that was almost ten years ago, but I assume this shit is even more common nowadays. The usual procedure was to have one translator translate the stuff (commonly using what's called a TM or Translation Memory, basically a user dictionary so the wording stays consistent), and then another translator to do an editing pass to catch errors. For very high-impact translations, there could be more editing passes after that.

MTPE is now basically omitting the first translator and feeding it through a customized version of what amounts to Google Translate or DeepL that can access the customer's TM data, and then handing it off to a translator for the editing pass. The catch now is that freelance translators have two rates: one for translating, depending on the language pair between $0.09 and $0.5 per word, and one for editing, which is significantly less. $0.01 to $0.12 or so per word, from what I remember. The translation rate applies for complete translations, i.e. when a word is not in the customer's TM. If it is in the TM, the editing rate applies (or, if the translator has negotiated a clever rate for themselves, there might be a third rate). With MTPE, you now essentially feed the machine heaps of content to bloat up the TM as much as possible, then flag everything as pre-translated and only for editing, and boom, you can force the cheapest rates to apply to what is essentially more work because the quality of what comes out of these machines is complete horseshit compared to a human-translated piece.

For the customers, however, MTPE wasn't even that much cheaper. The biggest difference was in the profit margin for the translation company, to no one's surprise.

Back when I worked there, and those were the early days, a lot of freelance translators flat-out refused to do MTPE because of this. They said, if the customer wants this, they can find another translator, and because a lot of customers wanted to keep the translators they'd had for a long time, there was some leverage there.

I have no idea how the situation is today, but infinitely worse I assume.

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 5 points 3 days ago

I've logged a support ticket.

[–] bitofhope@awful.systems 15 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Still frustrated over the fact that search engines just don't work anymore. I sometimes come up with puns involving a malapropism of some phrase and I try and see if anyone's done anything with that joke, but the engines insist on "correcting" my search into the statistically more likely version of the phrase, even if I put it in quotes.

Also all the top results for most searches are blatant autoplag slop with no informational value now.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 4 points 1 day ago

Also all the top results for most searches are blatant autoplag slop with no informational value now.

I just encountered a thing like this. A subject where no matter what you asked about it this one site was in the top 5 with just incomprehensible posts. Like every sentence on its own made sense, but there was nothing more than that. It read like constant promotional 'before the actual meat of the article' stuff but forever. Was really weird.

[–] nightsky@awful.systems 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

On the (slim) upside, it's an opportunity to ditch Google, and maybe it will sooner or later break their monopoly position. I switched my main search engine to Ecosia a while ago, I think it uses Bing underneath (meh), but presumably it's more privacy friendly than Google (or Bing directly). I've had numerous such attempts over the years already to get away from Google, but always returned, because the search results were just so much better (especially for non-English stuff). But now Google has gotten so much worse that it created almost an equilibrium... sometimes it's still useful and better, but not that often anymore. So I rarely go to Google now, not because the others got better, but because Google got so much worse.

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Ecosa? The australian mattress in a box company?? (jk)

Apparently they offer an AI chatbot alongside their services, so…

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 5 points 1 day ago

The same goes with DuckDuckGo, because the venn diagram of programmers and AI bros is apparently a circle.

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 11 points 3 days ago (2 children)

ZITRON DROPPED

Less a standard piece and more "Ed Zitron goes completely fucking apeshit for 26 minutes" this time around

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[–] aninjury2all@awful.systems 12 points 3 days ago (11 children)

Couple of days late but when your ideology is so pure, you can’t connect The Thing to The Consequences of The Thing. The solution? Monetize the rot!

Check quotes and replies for quality sneers (and more sneerable content)

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 13 points 3 days ago

"The millenials were so well paid in tech jobs during the boom that they nevered bothered to invest in homes" is ... a take

[–] Amoeba_Girl@awful.systems 7 points 3 days ago

These people probably think Karl Marx is Satan, but my god at least he was able to understand and respect Adam Smith better than whoever's trying to magick wealth out of this absolute idiot soup! Looks like capitalism the ideology is just as unsustainable as capitalism the economic system.

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Gonna copy this in because there's a lot to unpack, and I don't want to do it alone.

Text of the Thielmail in that first tweet:

From: Peter Thiel
Date: Sunday, January 5, 2020 at 2:44 AM
To: Mark Zuckerberg, Nick Clegg, Antonio Lucio
Cc: Sheryl Sandberg, Marc Andreessen
Subject: RE: Milennials

There are many themes that could be developed
more here; let me make a few quick points for now:

Nick -- I certainly would not suggest that our policy
should be to embrace Millennial attitudes
unreflectively. I would be the last person to
advocate for socialism. But when 70% of Millennials
say they are pro-socialist, we need to do better than
simply dismiss them by saying that they are stupid
or entitled or brainwashed; we should try and
understand why. And, from the perspective of a
broken generational compact, there seems to be a
pretty straightforward answer to me, namely, that
when one has too much student debt or if housing
is too unaffordable, then one will have negative
capital for a long time and/or find it very hard to
start accumulating capital in the form of real estate;
and if one has no stake in the capitalist system, then
one may well turn against it.

  1. Part of me wishes that the font were just a little bigger. This way, the word wrap would come to 10 syllables a line, and we could pretend this was a lost Shakespeare monologue.
  2. I'm almost disappointed by this. Thiel, suggesting that it might not, in fact, be the children that are wrong? Where's your ideological purity, Thiel? Didn't know you started reading r/GenZedong.
  3. Also, it's Peter fucking Thiel lecturing Nick fucking Clegg, former leader of the lib dems in the UK, on paying lip service to socialist policy in order to stymie any real societal progress???

Not gonna lie got a bit jump scared by woke Peter Thiel here. Of course I'm pretty sure his actual solution involves giving young people houses confiscated from those perfidious brown people of one stripe or another. The problem can't be an inherent injustice in a system that allows for both Peters Thiel and (insert your favorite broke person here) to exist in the same market.

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