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[–] yesman@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What scares me shitless is the idea that Trump is what the US is and what the US has earned. Who's ready for that conversation?

[–] electrogamerman@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

100% this. Im German and I feel so strange that americans are choosing this guy for president. Not to be offensive, but damn.

[–] SoaringDE@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

Same here. I think this is what happens when education is underfundet. I'm happy we're back to G9 but we should definitely pay teachers more to counteract the lack of teachers and ensure every teacher has sufficient time to do their job well.

Otherwise people cannot be taught to think critical, question "why is he saying X?" instead of just weather it is true or not. Often understanding why somebody is saying sometimg at the time they do is much more important after all.

[–] Gawanoh@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

There are a lot of germans voting for idiots which just repeat a few Trump topics a few months later. :(

[–] snausagesinablanket@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] hawkguy@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I was surprised that this was the actual headline and not some interpretation of OP.

[–] MartinXYZ@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"Vanity Fair" sounds like such a pretty and sophisticated magazine, doesn't it? And then it hits you with this headline.

[–] hawkguy@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

Yeah. Maybe it's like with Forbes where they have "contributors", which is more like blog posts and not editorial content?

[–] eurekaphoenix@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

""In a normal society, a former president—let’s call him Donald Trump—who’s been indicted three times in under four months, on charges ranging from obstruction of justice to conspiracy to defraud the United States, would have absolutely no chance of ever being president again. It straight up would not be a scenario anyone would have to even contemplate; even if this individual were not in prison, the idea that they would be able to run for and win higher office once more would not compute.

But unfortunately, we don’t live in a normal society; instead, we live in a place in which millions of people not only still support Donald Trump, but grow fonder of him with every new criminal charge. Which means that, despite the aforementioned indictments*, the twice-impeached, thrice-indicted ex-president is dominating every other candidate for the Republican nomination, and currently looks to be the most likely GOP nominee in the 2024 general election. That, of course, scares the shit out of a lot of people—including, apparently, one Barack Obama. Whose fear, it has to be said, is extremely unsettling!

The Washington Post reports that during a private lunch with Joe Biden in late June, the 44th president “voiced concern about Donald Trump’s political strengths—including an intensely loyal following, a Trump-friendly conservative media ecosystem, and a polarized country—underlining his worry that Trump could be a more formidable candidate than many Democrats realize.” According to people familiar with the conversation, “Obama made it clear his concerns were not about Biden’s political abilities, but rather a recognition of Trump’s iron grip on the Republican Party.”

Obama’s concerns are certainly warranted: In a New York Times/Siena poll released on Monday, Trump led his closest competition, Ron DeSantis, by a whopping 37 points. An even wilder data point that seems to validate Obama’s fears was that Trump beat DeSantis even among Republicans who believe he committed “serious federal crimes.” To be clear, that means these people believe Trump is a criminal, and want him to be president anyway.

As FiveThirtyEight optimistically notes, should Trump be convicted before November 5, 2024, voters might be less inclined to cast a ballot for him, and presumably they’d be even less so if he’s sentenced to time in prison. (In the case of the most recent indictment, two of the charges carry up to 20 years behind bars, and compared to her colleagues, the judge assigned to the case has imposed the toughest sentences for January 6 defendants.) Though, who knows!

As for a potential Trump-Biden rematch, another Times/Siena Poll poll published this week put the two in a tie, with each receiving 43% of the vote—which, for people who think democracy is worth preserving, is pretty pants-shittingly scary.

In somewhat happier news, Obama reportedly promised at the same June lunch “to do all he could to help the president get reelected.” And in a statement, a spokesman for Biden’s campaign told the Post: “President Biden is grateful for his unwavering support, and looks forward to once again campaigning side-by-side with President Obama to win in 2024 and finish the job for the American people.”

*And everything else!

Mike Pence giveth and Mike Pence taketh away

Yes, he tweeted yesterday that “anyone who puts himself over the Constitution should never be President,” but then he basically suggested today that Trump was just listening to his lawyers’ advice when he tried to overturn the election—which, coincidentally, is a defense Trump is reportedly planning to use."

[–] Lanthanae@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Honest question, how can we ever get out of this? Is it just human nature for most of the population to not have critical thinking skills? Is it possible to reach a world where the majority of people have even just a little empathy?

It's just so sad. It's so clear to anyone even kinda paying attention that we possess the technical capacity as a society to meet everyone's needs and eliminate so much human-caused suffering at the detriment to absolutely nobody. We could be working toward a society where everyone has community, safety, security, opportunity. We could do so much if all we did was kind of give a shit about each other.

But no. Let's elect the guy who mocked a disabled reporter, encourages white supremacy, committed treason, etc.

Donald Trump is just a guy. A shitty guy, but just a guy. He's not what is ruining the world, but the fact that so many Americans want to vote for that shitty guy as president shows that a massive portion of the population is also just some shitty person, and fuck if that doesn't just burn up all my hope for this world.

[–] InquisitiveFactotum@midwest.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

David Brooks wrote a good article in the New York Times today that tries to help shift perspectives a bit to understand this. I'd highly recommend reading it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/02/opinion/trump-meritocracy-educated.html

[–] new_acct_who_dis@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] 4z01235@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Seems 12ft.io doesn't work for NYT, but archive.is does:

https://archive.is/r8L9I