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[–] mariusz@feddit.de 0 points 9 months ago

"The move will not apply to Paris residents’ parking." 🀑

[–] afrom@feddit.de 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

They allowed the US SUV and pickup fashion to swap over to Europe (20 years ago there was little to none of those on European roads) so that when people are buying them, they get punished for doing so!? My point is, why the majority is acting like it is only the ordinary people's fault?

[–] domi@lemmy.secnd.me 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

why the majority is acting like it is the ordinary people's fault?

Because it is. The market produces what consumers buy.

If nobody buys SUVs, nobody produces SUVs. It's 100% on the consumer in the EU, there's enough other cars available.

[–] afrom@feddit.de 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Partly correct ...market produces what consumers buy but here was no such things like SUVs and pickups so they needed to introduce them so ppl can buy. It's basically marketing 1st. Marketing has a huge influence

[–] ElmarsonTheThird@feddit.de 0 points 9 months ago

They didn't need to introduce them, they saw the opportunity to do so. Besides, there's always been the possibility to buy a utilitarian pick up truck but they're work vehicles.

It's just supply and demand. Someone offers SUVs and Trucks, people buy them all, other companies offer more of the same. So of course, everyone who wanted to buy one made the concious decision to do so. The consumers are, in fact, responsible for their actions.

Guess why there are so few station wagons in the US now, as opposed to the 1980s. People wanted bigger cars and the market phased out the more sensible, but less desired option.

[–] vzq@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

There is no fault. No punishment. Just choices. And other people’s choices.

[–] afrom@feddit.de 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Of course that was meant figuratively, I thought that was clear

[–] vzq@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Obviously.

Your choice of metaphors however clearly implies you see yourself as a victim, or at the very least a wronged party. I wanted to forcefully push back against that framing.

[–] afrom@feddit.de 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

No I don't see myself as a victim. Never owned an SUV and most likely never will because I don't like them and also I don't live in France so it's pointless however.

I wanted to forcefully push back against that framing

By doing so you do demonstrate that you allowed yourself to be instrumentalized. Maybe one day you guys will understand but of course that's up to you.

[–] vzq@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] afrom@feddit.de 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Nothing my friend ...give everything you earn (if you do) to the govt. Have a good life without cars and flights. All is up to you, life is short.

[–] vzq@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

give everything you earn (if you do) to the govt

First of all, we’re talking about parking fees in Paris. They are very very high, but not quite that expensive.

Second, you need to have some cash left over for the Illuminati, the NWO and the world economic forum man.

[–] afrom@feddit.de 0 points 9 months ago

Who ist talking about those things!? TF is wrong with u? Why I'm even wasting my time

[–] Rayleigh@feddit.de 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)

When she is done in Paris can she pleeeeaaase come to Berlin?

[–] badmemes@feddit.de 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Or do the same stuff on an EU-wide level? I bet there are a lot of other cities that could use her kind of changes.

[–] Anekdoteles@feddit.de 0 points 9 months ago

Problem is, that cities are politically gerry-mandered into entitities with SFH developed areas and countrysides. That's why we don't see urbanism as the powerful political force that it could and should be.

[–] TwoCubed@feddit.de 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Don't the SUVs in Berlin get stolen within a couple of days anyway?

Edit: my brother who lives in Berlin got himself an SUV (Kia Sportage) and whenever he found a parking spot near his home, he'd leave it there for weeks because he was so happy to park near home. His car got stolen. Now he takes the U-Bahn to work and he's actually happier than before. He got his money back for the stolen car, so there's that.

[–] thedoginthewok@feddit.de 0 points 9 months ago

This is smart

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Misleading headline.

It also applies to electric vehicles over 2000kg, which is pretty much most of them.

London's ULEZ scheme is better than this.

[–] schlump@feddit.de 0 points 9 months ago

While it's true that this is not only about cutting air pollution, there are many EVs that under 2000kg