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Additionally, what changes are necessary for you to be able to use Linux full time?

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[โ€“] Gefrierbox@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

It crashes at random times without any forewarning. One moment I'm browsing lemmy, the next moment I get a black screen and the computer starts to reboot. Also sometimes after waking up from hibernation, the computer freezes, not even switchting off/on caps lock works in those moments. It doesn't matter which distribution I use, they all crash on me (tried Fedora, EndeavourOS, Debian). I guess Linux isn't compatible with my hardware, but I don't know how to fix it or where to start.

[โ€“] Brochetudo@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

There is no AMD Adrenaline software so I can't properly use my AMD card

[โ€“] Barbarian@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's really surprising to me. I've been buying AMD only for many years now specifically because they have better Linux compatibility than Nvidia.

[โ€“] Brochetudo@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

I am not talking about the drivers themselves. Like the other commenter mentioned, I am talking about the software for fine tuning your card.

[โ€“] amenotef@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

What were you missing? Just curious.

On the bright side in Linux we have ROCM. In windows they still haven't released it.

[โ€“] Brochetudo@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I am running the RX6500XT graphics card, which if you try to use in a plug and play fashion, you're completely out of luck when it comes to running any mildly new game out there in ultra or high settings.

However, the AMD Adrenaline software allows you to mess up with upscaling and many, many other goodies for you to fine tune performance and reach that ultra or high quality in (pretty much) all the games I usually play.

There's no way I'm playing with low settings on Linux when AMD developed some amazing tools for people that like hacking around with their cards. It's just a pity they still work only on Windows.

Edit: in my experience, ROCm didn't work in my particular card. Moreover, in order to try an installation of those drivers I was forced to use distros I'm not familiar with like Ubuntu. I had to ssh to my university labs for any ML task.

[โ€“] joshinator@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

I think the main difficulty with Linux desktops is this "all or nothing" approach to the OS.

Recently got a Steam Deck and most of the games really just work, but that's a handheld where I play solo. On desktop I mostly play online with friends.
I really don't want to constantly switch OS depending on the anticheat situation when we play something else.
And then there is software (fusion360, simhub) & hardware (3d mouse, joysticks, ffb wheel, maybe VR?) that just works on Windows.

So instead of maintaining Windows & Linux on dualboot I just stick with Windows on the desktop.
And I used Linux for a long time on my laptop (and can't wait to ditch MacOS), still use it on servers, but the desktop is just a whole different beast.

[โ€“] iegod@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Games and Photoshop. Linux is nice, but if you're a serious gamer its not even in the solution space.

[โ€“] turbochamp@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is so wrong. 99% of my 450 game library on Steam works perfectly. Great performance with proton.

Use gimp

[โ€“] crystal@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

No Valorant on Linux :(

[โ€“] GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Gaming is the only reason I dual-boot back to Windows. Out of curiosity, what's your distro and hardware config? I've had no luck with Proton or Lutris on Suse or Ubuntu. I don't think I've ever been able to play a game all the way through without issues. Not sure if it's my distro choices, Nvidia drivers, or the specific games I try to play. Even Steam Deck certified games do not work properly for me.

[โ€“] xtapa@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

Gaming on OpenSUSE Tumbleweed without any problem so far. First with Nvidia, now with amd.

[โ€“] WastedJobe@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

Define "serious gamer". I play almost everything on Linux with little to no downsides, especially in Dota2 and CSGO or single player games.

[โ€“] Skates@feddit.nl 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

First time I ever seriously used Linux was for work, back when I was a developer. You'd have to pay me to use it again. I like gaming, but I don't like wasting my time troubleshooting games. Nor do I enjoy debugging random crashes/black screens in random drivers. Sure, it's fun, but if I'm gonna work for it, someone somewhere better be signing my overtime slip. Cause I get a few hours free per day, and I'd rather not deal with sigsegv anymore if I can help it.

Not to mention sound. My job as dev included using ALSA for some use cases. I don't know if you ever had the misfortune to need to do that or how it went for you, but if I ever need to touch that shit again I will scalp Torvalds with a goddamn headphone jack.

I installed windows 11 when I bought my last PC. I figured I'd give it a shot, see if it's as bad as all my dev friends say it is. You know how many drivers I've had to fix to make my games work? Zero. You know how many hours I spent debugging weird issues? Also zero.

There's a reason windows has a price tag. And part of that reason is that it works better than free stuff. I'm a believer in FOSS, but if you're a craftsman and you can't hammer a nail without needing to adjust your hammer every few swings, you should find a hammer that's not made out of silly putty and dreams.

[โ€“] crystal@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

The issues with games usually arise because people try to run games made for Windows on Linux. Just like you can't run Linux games on Windows (unless you use WSL, which is just straight up running Linux), you can't easily run most Windows games on Linux.

[โ€“] HughJanus@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It just doesn't work. It's a simple as that. Things are constantly breaking. When they do I look up support articles that are written in fucking Klingon and sent to the terminal to type in commands that always return some sort of generic error "command not found" or some shit because the solution is written for a different one of the 862700422 available distros.

I have no idea how to install all the different program types (flathub, db, appimage, etc.). Windows has exe. I click "install" and boom, it's done.

Sometimes I try to remove software in the package manager and it acts like it is uninstalled but it's still fucking there.

I can't even select a file because there are no previews. Just a gazillion blue squares with names like "dlcosn_3947912947".

And other reasons, but I digress. I don't have time to learn a new career, I just want a computer that works.

[โ€“] UlrikHD@programming.dev 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have no idea how to install all the different program types (flathub, db, appimage, etc.). Windows has exe. I click "install" and boom, it's done.

That's strange, I've always felt that installing stuff is a lot easier on Ubuntu than windows. It's just apt install <program> and apt remove <program>. Having to manually download and run an exe feels outdated in comparison.

I can't even select a file because there are no previews. Just a gazillion blue squares with names like "dlcosn_3947912947".

Curious what distro you installed that had that issue. The only preview issue I've encountered was on win10 where I had to pay for windows to support H.265 to give me previews of H.265 files.

Things are constantly breaking. When they do I look up support articles that are written in fucking Klingon and sent to the terminal to type in commands that always return some sort of generic error "command not found" or some shit because the solution is written for a different one of the 862700422 available distros.

That's a fair point though. If you aren't willing (and most aren't) to learn enough to be comfortable with the terminal, it can be very easy break something when you are forced to interact with the terminal.

[โ€“] HughJanus@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've always felt that installing stuff is a lot easier on Ubuntu than windows. It's just apt install and apt remove .

๐Ÿ˜‚ Except that you have to know exactly what is, character for character, and usually includes some long string of numbers and letters where 1 character is wrong and you have to retype the whole damn thing. This is the opposite of easy.

Curious what distro you installed that had that issue.

Fedora/Gnome

If you aren't willing (and most aren't) to learn enough to be comfortable with the terminal, it can be very easy break something when you are forced to interact with the terminal.

Yes and the problem is you're ALWAYS sent into the terminal for absolutely any kind of debugging.

[โ€“] crystal@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

Why don't you use the Software App for installing Apps?

[โ€“] DharkStare@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I've used both regularly for years and went back to Windows when I switched to PC gaming and it's just so much better. Everything just works on Windows.

Linux really needs to work on improving its user experience if it wants to be a true competitor to Mac and Windows. All these little config tweaks and command line prompts you have to do to get things working on Linux just isn't going to win a bunch of people over who are used to things being a few clicks on a wizard to get working.

Edit: it's been years since I last tried Linux so maybe things have changed.

[โ€“] crystal@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

What software were you trying to install that you couldn't install by simply clicking the install button in the software store?

[โ€“] Silasdss@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

I wanted to dual boot linux and windows but installed linux on the wrong drive partition and wrote over all of my data. Decided i was too stupid for linux. To be fair that was 3 years ago, maybe ill try again soon

[โ€“] Schnitzeltier@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Quite simple: When using Linux, I tend to play around, try different stuff, switch distros every couple of month.... When using Windows or MACOS, I just use it as is and don't try to break stuff. And while I could use Linux quite easily without breaking it, my inner child prevents me from using it this way...

[โ€“] Forcen@lemmy.one 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I tried to use Ubuntu for a bit but I just wanted to have regular Firefox with the built in updater, turns out this is way more of a hassle than it is on Windows.

It shouldn't be that hard to "install" a program like Firefox directly from a website but all you get is an archive thing that you have to manually "install" basically, it's tricky enough that someone wrote a tool just do do this: https://gitlab.com/Linux-Is-Best/Firefox-automatic-install-for-Linux

APT and Flatpacks are all cool but an offline installation should still be available and easy to use without being forced to use a terminal. Maybe I'm incorrect and I would love to hear about it but this is my experience.

Steam for whatever reason is basically installed the same way on windows as on PC in terms of user experience, you download a file and double click it. Maybe it's Mozillas fault? Who knows, it's frustrating in any case.

[โ€“] sirjash@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

So your problem is that the updater is not contained within the app itself, but in the packet manager of the OS?

[โ€“] WastedJobe@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

This entire thread looks like everyone who stopped using Linux over 2 or 3 years ago should have another look at it, so many (now) none-issues.

[โ€“] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Every few years I try Linux again. At this point I've decided that when I can install linux, and use all of my hardware/software without having to open a terminal window, I'll try it again. Until then, I only use it when I'm paid to.

[โ€“] xtapa@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

Try Tumbleweed then. It has yast and will cover the important stuff you'd probably do in console otherwise.

Just out of curiosity: What's your problem with the terminal?