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The lure of anticipatory compliance in the face of a Poilievre Conservative government (theindependent.ca)
submitted 2 weeks ago by Sunshine@lemmy.ca to c/canada@lemmy.ca
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[–] thatsnothowyoudoit@lemmy.ca 24 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

That’s a really interesting PoV. I feel as if I’ve been grappling with the same quandary but landed differently.

The NDP is broken. I say this as a lifelong supporter who strongly believes their stated values and goals represent mine.

That said, the current version of the NDP is not viable or working in my opinion. Their actions do not match their words.

I’m resolved to vote Liberal (in a riding where it matters) and then immediately begin to support the federal NDP party to be ready for the next election. Time to get my hands dirty.

[–] gonzo-rand19@moist.catsweat.com 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It really grossed me out when they voted to remove the word "socialism" from all of their official documentation and party constitution. I haven't been able to see them the same since.

I have hope they'll go in a new direction after Jagmeet but I don't know if the party will ever be like how it was. Really seems like the sun has set for the NDP after Jack Layton. Also every fucking email asks me for $20 that I don't have without offering updates on the actual campaign or ways to get involved; just fundraising emails with no info.

They really lack any kind of fighting spirit at the national level and in Ontario (don't know about other provinces, sorry). This isn't even really about Jagmeet but the leaders of the party at the convention level; their decisions make the party look like a kicked dog that's too scared to take up space.

We need confidence, we need socialist ideas, we need some fucking energy and not the corporate veneer that the NDP thinks will give them the legitimacy they want so bad. Only actual displays of concrete leadership will give them that.

[–] thatsnothowyoudoit@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 weeks ago

I feel very similarly.

I was incredibly put-off when they accepted to not raise the issue of electoral reform as a requirement to sign the agreement with the Liberals - who themselves ran on electoral reform (at least in part).

I’ve received a single email from the NDP this election season - announcing their new t-shirt designs.

The liberal rep - part of the crew responsible for ousting Trudeau, came to my door.

:(

[–] thehowlingnorth@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This is my plan as well. Vote to hold the line and then start pushing left.

[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 weeks ago

I would really like a country where the two parties are NDP and Green, and then they cooperate to get rid of FTTP once and for all.

Can’t see a route to that yet, so holding the line is what we’ve got this time around.

[–] Rainbowblite@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Ranked ballots solve this problem completely.

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

We should have the single transferable vote.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

The fact that people can't agree on which alternative to FPTP is the preferred option is a signifigant contributing factor to why Trudeau abandoned his attempt to change the electoral system.

And why it'll be so hard to get any future politicians to take on the effort, even if they do agree that change needs to happen.

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

That’s why we have citizens assemblies but too many corrupt mps who fall under the conservatives and liberals voted against establishing having one.

It’s a random sample of the population who reviews over the course of 4 months which electoral system is the best for our democracy before making a recommendation.

This avoids the politics since politicians can’t come to an agreement on which system is best.

https://www.fairvote.ca/citizensassemblies/

https://lemmy.ca/post/28858201

[–] gonzo-rand19@moist.catsweat.com 4 points 2 weeks ago

STV is just a type of ranked ballot though, it's not a separate method.

Working in consultation with data scientists and election statisticians, I'm sure a government could easily determine which methods would meet all of the criteria necessary to ensure a fair and free election. The problem is with calling a referendum in order to implement it, which I don't think is actually required.

It literally cannot get worse than FPTP. I am okay with basically any voting method except FPTP and MMP (it's just FPTP with party list seat linkage).

[–] FlyingSpaceCow@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 weeks ago

I want mixed-member plurality (MMP)